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Most of the market is down today, but AAPL is up.
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I wonder how many short sellers and put options sellers tank the stock after new product announcements to take profits? It happens every time a new product is announced, and then the stock recovers throughout the year.

Short sellers do not cause prices to drop, unless you are talking about Goldman Sachs and crew naked shorting.
 
This sounds like ripe-a-dope. Won't fall for it. Any minute you'll hear of Apple employees dumping more stock.
 
Short sellers do not cause prices to drop, unless you are talking about Goldman Sachs and crew naked shorting.

Sure they do, because they are selling shares they don't yet own. A rally can ensue when they are forced to buy shares to cover the shorts.
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Sure. Give me the money to invest and I'll get right on that.

Ah, I see. As suspected, money and mouth are in different countries.
 
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With jobs running the show .....sure !

Mind you with jobs gone...... remember history ?

Yah I think Cook is doing fine by Apple. History repeats itself but the details change if you zoom in. Apple certainly has some astute people doing the price points there, I'll say that much more and head back to my chores. Wake me up if the stock hits 13, that's where I missed it the last time I wanted to get some more lol.
 
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Short sellers do not cause prices to drop, unless you are talking about Goldman Sachs and crew naked shorting.


Any sort of trade of any sort of commodity / share will have potential impact on the market of that. Whether it's regular buy/sell, Shorting, Options. Enough volume and enough money into any means of transaction and it will affect the overall market.
 
I bought a few more shares this morning. Dividends going up 10% every year. Stock continues trending up. Apple keeps getting more cash in the bank. Pretty much a winning combo. Especially those shares I started buying in 2005. :)
 
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Sure they do, because they are selling shares they don't yet own. A rally can ensue when they are forced to buy shares to cover the shorts.
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Ah, I see. As suspected, money and mouth are in different countries.
My post started with "Here's what i'd do if I were a billionaire with a hedge fund:", key operative word being "IF". I did not imply i had money in the first place, its something you assumed.
 
My post started with "Here's what i'd do if I were a billionaire with a hedge fund:", key operative word being "IF". I did not imply i had money in the first place, its something you assumed.

You know why I read past that? Because if this system worked, it would work just as well for a small investor.
 
One bad experience? It took years to achieve, and was by putting profit and expanding product lines ahead of innovation.

Interesting you say it's a tightly run ship as though cook has a clear vision, other than maximising products, id argue at times apple is like a rudderless ship , I mean Throw me a bone here, are they a hardware company, fashion company , media company , content creation? Etc etc These seem to be all over the place with cook.

Things were very clear under jobs right ? Same with cook? No....

Apple is a design-led company today, just as they were under Steve Jobs. They take an emerging product category with a frustrating user experience and deliver a polished product made possible by their control over both the hardware and software. Nothing has changed.
 
Bad advice, their next earnings isn't going to be great and its going to tank the stock. The time to buy is after their next earnings report

And how do you know that the next earnings report isn't going to be great?
 
Apple is a design-led company today, just as they were under Steve Jobs. They take an emerging product category with a frustrating user experience and deliver a polished product made possible by their control over both the hardware and software. Nothing has changed.

Fair enough. Apart from the pricing going up, thier products are still great quality and easy to use for people
 
Fair enough. Apart from the pricing going up, thier products are still great quality and easy to use for people

To be fair, Steve Job’s absence has been felt. The company seems to be making more about-faces on design and UI decisions. I guess that was what Steve helped bring to the table - a healthy dose of “common sense”.

Not saying that Apple is doomed because of this. They will make more mistakes, and they will learn from those mistakes, and I believe Apple will still end up at the same destinations as before. Just more battered and bruised than before, but they will still get there.
 
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yeah no sht... This year was the biggest launch mistake Apple ever made, who launches a phone and make it obsolete 25 minutes later buy another one, then delays the new one by 3 months? Make me wonder who was the genius that thought about that?

Clearly Mr. Cook knew about all this BS and sold his shares just 1 week before launch... I call that insider trading... Hard to believe he is not in jail for that already....
 
To be fair, Steve Job’s absence has been felt. The company seems to be making more about-faces on design and UI decisions. I guess that was what Steve helped bring to the table - a healthy dose of “common sense”.

Not saying that Apple is doomed because of this. They will make more mistakes, and they will learn from those mistakes, and I believe Apple will still end up at the same destinations as before. Just more battered and bruised than before, but they will still get there.

Even we who are fans of some of Steve Jobs' achievements at Apple can have selective memories sometimes. I mean it's not like he didn't make his share of mistakes. We kind of airbrush them out. LOL imagine trying to sell a Lisa now. The original one was commercial bust despite its promise. And he took a lot of flak for even the second one that developers used --and needed--to make the early apps for Macs. But the Lisa and what Apple learned from it did lead to the much more popular and somewhat :rolleyes: more affordable Macs for the masses, so was it a mistake or a learning curve?

So nothing ventured, nothing gained. Apple has had its moments of turning out boring beige boxes and its moments of turning out questionably useful items like... the Apple III...? and the tie-clasp shuffles that were cool but that needed specially cabled earbuds to use at all.

But we forget that stuff in the afterglow of the original iPod, the original shuffle (that thing had amazing audio quality for all its looking like a fat USB stick), the original iPhone, the iPad. The jellybean colors of the Macs, the clamshell ibooks... and yet in the rear view there were still the memories of those things that Apple poured love and money into and that flopped. But they were springboards, all of them.

Investors in Apple need to keep things in perspective. Life is ever as it was, no matter the business: some product rollouts are awesome wonders, some are spectacular busts, many will find a niche market and eventually pay for the design and development. imo Apple is good at learning off everything it rolls out, and to me that is what counts.

The mistakes Apple makes are different ones each time out of the box --in my opinion-- and their strengths are in building off what works, improving on what doesn't, and occasionally taking an axe to what's either outlived usefulness or standing in the way of the next great leap forward. Like anyone else I have my favorite things in their product line, and carp when they kill something on that list, but I've been in for the long haul as a user and a small investor as well. That will continue based on what I can see of how Cook runs the place. I just hope he's working on a succession plan, not just at the top but in management of the product lines, because investors like to see capability projected down the line. We are comforted (or annoyed lol) by the faces we know, but we like knowing there's bench there, and getting to know some of those players.
 
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And the stock is up $2 this morning.

yep. this happens every year. folks harp on the declining iPhone sales in the summer as if its doom and gloom but really its just trying to lower the stock value. same with 'meh' reactions to new iphone when its announced, talk of low stock and low sales when launched and so on.
 
I sold at the top, closed the sell at $154 and have been buying up small numbers since. Apple stock is oversold on the RSI and will recover soon.
Nearly all tech stock took a hit last week
 
haha... 'Buy the dip'

"Those that are on the fence will likely wait to see the iPhone X."

Yep. that sounds positive. Or those on the fence would buy the iPhone 8/8 Plus now, then trade up to the "X" when it comes..

Gotta like fence sitters..
 
And how do you know that the next earnings report isn't going to be great?

Apples quarter runs from Sept 30th to Dec 31st. Because of the delayed launch of the iPhone X (and constrained supplies) they will have fewer selling days of their new flagship phone than in prior years by half a quarter! Because Apples earnings are heavily tied to iPhone sales, having half of the quarter as a wait time between announcement of something that people want to buy, and when they can actually buy it, is going to be really rough to their earnings. This isn't the same situation as say the Apple Watch launch where it was a new category and waiting really had no affect on their earnings, this is a delayed launch of their most important product to earnings. The stock price already has taken into account the release of the X and the beneficial effect that would have if it was released when they thought it should be, so when they release earnings and its low or even just on track it would be expected to drop the stock price. Therefore, buy the stock after their next earnings because the following earnings should be fantastic as it will be their first full quarter of iPhone X sales in what is typically a slower quarter for Apple after the holidays
 
Unlike many AAPL investors who ride the waves of emotion and base their trades on the fluctuating streams of positivity and negativity, I also consider myself a long-term advocate of Apple stock thanks primarily to being a die-hard Apple fan since back in the day. So I've recently discovered that I need to emotionally detach when I'm buying small blocks (25 shares per trade) at 25 cent to 50 cent pricing intervals no matter how low of a price Apple stock drops to as long as I don't exceed the maximum 2 to 1 ratio that regulates my Reg-T margin account. Currently, that means a little over $100K of my money and almost $100K of borrowed margin-loan money invested in Apple stock (the stock is the collateral since otherwise I have no credit whatsoever). So I was still buying consistent with my pre-established trading pattern when Apple dropped to 150 per share recently despite owning AAPL shares I had previously purchased reaching all the way up to 164.75, pausing only once when it dropped all the way down to 149.76 (or somewhere thereabouts since I tend to intentionally forget negative facts as opposed to positive ones). And since I ordinarily sell each of those blocks of 25 when they hit $1 per share above my cost ($25 gross capital gains per sell25-trade minus $2 total buy+sell IB brokerage fee), once AAPL's price started going up until settling in around 154 lately, I was quite pleased to have once again placed my faith in the ability of Apple's stock to quickly bounce back after these temporal dips although I say this with the full knowledge and certainty that I can never rely on the past to accurately predict any stock's future performace. And if anyone tells you anything different, run from them as fast as you can before you listen to any more of their pitch.

So anyway, what I liked most about this article is that it expresses what I was thinking and feeling lately during those risk-taking moments when a trader such as myself doesn't know if he's clicking his way into profits or losses. And in retrospect, I wish I had read this article sooner since many of the authors of the AAPL-related articles I have perused lately were all trying to outdo each other as far as fatalistically predicting the absolute worse case nightmare scenario where Apple eventually ceases to exist as the thriving corporate entity that it is today.

And for the record, I do NOT recommend day trading AAPL stock despite having earned around $1000 every week so far this year in capital gains and dividends derived solely from buying and selling and owning Apple stock (63 cents per share in dividends for a company trading at under 18 times earnings is a beautiful if not rare combination). I'm up at 4 am for pre-market trading every day the US stock market is open. Often, the first trade of Apple stock as listed on Nasdaq'a website is mine. My workday does not end until 8 pm when after-hours trading ends. I rarely sell for a realized loss meaning if a long-term bear market should ever materialize in the near or distant future, I'll be just as unemployed as anyone standing in line at the Unemployment Bureau (and just as broke too unless I decide to cash in my Apple chips so to speak for a loss instead of waiting for the kind of positive stabilization that usually follows a typical market correction).

However, having said all that, I do highly recommend AAPL as a long-term investment and that is why it is the only stock that I will ever own no matter what the future may reveal on this roller-coaster ride more commonly known as "the stock market".
 
Unlike many AAPL investors who ride the waves of emotion and base their trades on the fluctuating streams of positivity and negativity, I also consider myself a long-term advocate of Apple stock thanks primarily to being a die-hard Apple fan since back in the day. So I've recently discovered that I need to emotionally detach when I'm buying small blocks (25 shares per trade) at 25 cent to 50 cent pricing intervals no matter how low of a price Apple stock drops to as long as I don't exceed the maximum 2 to 1 ratio that regulates my Reg-T margin account. Currently, that means a little over $100K of my money and almost $100K of borrowed margin-loan money invested in Apple stock (the stock is the collateral since otherwise I have no credit whatsoever). So I was still buying consistent with my pre-established trading pattern when Apple dropped to 150 per share recently despite owning AAPL shares I had previously purchased reaching all the way up to 164.75, pausing only once when it dropped all the way down to 149.76 (or somewhere thereabouts since I tend to intentionally forget negative facts as opposed to positive ones). And since I ordinarily sell each of those blocks of 25 when they hit $1 per share above my cost ($25 gross capital gains per sell25-trade minus $2 total buy+sell IB brokerage fee), once AAPL's price started going up until settling in around 154 lately, I was quite pleased to have once again placed my faith in the ability of Apple's stock to quickly bounce back after these temporal dips although I say this with the full knowledge and certainty that I can never rely on the past to accurately predict any stock's future performace. And if anyone tells you anything different, run from them as fast as you can before you listen to any more of their pitch.

So anyway, what I liked most about this article is that it expresses what I was thinking and feeling lately during those risk-taking moments when a trader such as myself doesn't know if he's clicking his way into profits or losses. And in retrospect, I wish I had read this article sooner since many of the authors of the AAPL-related articles I have perused lately were all trying to outdo each other as far as fatalistically predicting the absolute worse case nightmare scenario where Apple eventually ceases to exist as the thriving corporate entity that it is today.

And for the record, I do NOT recommend day trading AAPL stock despite having earned around $1000 every week so far this year in capital gains and dividends derived solely from buying and selling and owning Apple stock (63 cents per share in dividends for a company trading at under 18 times earnings is a beautiful if not rare combination). I'm up at 4 am for pre-market trading every day the US stock market is open. Often, the first trade of Apple stock as listed on Nasdaq'a website is mine. My workday does not end until 8 pm when after-hours trading ends. I rarely sell for a realized loss meaning if a long-term bear market should ever materialize in the near or distant future, I'll be just as unemployed as anyone standing in line at the Unemployment Bureau (and just as broke too unless I decide to cash in my Apple chips so to speak for a loss instead of waiting for the kind of positive stabilization that usually follows a typical market correction).

However, having said all that, I do highly recommend AAPL as a long-term investment and that is why it is the only stock that I will ever own no matter what the future may reveal on this roller-coaster ride more commonly known as "the stock market".

This post is such a tangle of contradictions, it's virtually impossible to know were to start untangling them. The main event is that day trading is not investing, it is speculating, pure and simple. You might as well be betting on numbers on a roulette wheel or trading hog belly futures after hours. No investing advice coming from someone who acknowledges being a speculator, who buys and sells only one stock, and who for bad measure trades on margin, and admits they could go broke at any moment, can be completely trusted to advise anyone. The only thing they should be doing is keeping a bankruptcy attorney on speed dial, because it isn't a matter of whether they will need one, only a matter of when.
 
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