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freeny said:
Dude, They ALL suck. You cant win no matter who they go with. Just take what they offer and try to live with it.;)
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a few former and current Googler as well as others are thinking of a new phone with open standard perhaps a new paradigm for cellular communication.

give the finger to the pimps we call our cellular carriers!

Cinch
 
coal said:
I honestly don't see the motivation in a move by Apple to join with Cingular. Apple IS the brand, while Cingular has been trying for the last few years to become THE brand for mobile phone providers. Unfortunately, that desire doesn't translate into adequate customer service or competitive pricing so they remain just like any other mobile carrier.

Why would Apple do Cingular any favors by joining with them? It just doesn't make sense unless Cingular is paying them a huge sum of money for the courtesy.

Apple should just release the phone as a piece of unlocked GSM equipment that can be purchased directly from their site and used on any GSM provider worldwide. Simple and effective and doesn't limit Apple to a tired brand like Cingular (or even more tired, AT&T).
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The problem with this, at least in North America, is that you are largely competing with locked phones, which are heavily subsidized when you sign up for a contract. I can just hear it now - "Why should I buy the Apple phone for $400 when I can get X brand phone for $100?"
 
Don't you mean AT&T Wireless? :rolleyes:

God, Apple on AT&T... it just sounds dirty.

It's funny how people in these threads are all Verizon vs. Cingular. Um, Sprint is amazing and actually affordable -- I get plenty of minutes, unlimited EVDO and unlimited roaming on Verizon, and full insurance, plus hundreds of texts, for less than 50 INCLUSIVE of all taxes.

Can ANYONE on Verizon, Tmobile, AT&Tingular say the same? How many places are there that are dead on BOTH Sprint and Verizon? True nationwide coverage here :)

All that said, the US-only status of CDMA plus the virtual inability to sell an independent phone to be activated by CDMA providers = obvious GSM. :(

I still wish they'd go MVNO.
 
This is not to hard to speculate on, as a matter of fact I would bet 10K that there will be a phone tomorrow.

There HAS to be.

It will probably be white flip phone with the glowing,pulsating apple. It will have 8GB flash, a video camera, wireless, TV ready, usb 2.0 charger/ sync, and will connect free to iTunes store (obviously).

It will be able to play while your on the phone so you can have background tunes (Muzak) and it may even have rudimentary video phone capability (let's really hope on this one).

No wonder Jobs is all worked up.

And i tell you, I'm sure as HELL not going to wait for Sprint to get around to piking up on this as there are pathetic.

Tomorrow i'm going to call Cingular even before it's announced (i'll wait to sign up though ; ) that's how sure I am of this.
 
If this happens, it'd be darn nice if Cingular offered a good price to existing subscribers who want it but aren't yet eligible for a phone upgrade. If nothing else, it'd help lock 'em in for the next few years...
 
I hope it comes out in an unlocked version. My 2 years with Cingular were the worst 2 years of my cellular phone life. I switched to T-Mobile and haven't looked back, and absolutely will not switch to Suckgular ever again in my life, even if the only way to get this phone is through them.
 
Every single month cingular would try and sneak in some extra charges.

These charges would always be buried on page 3 or 4 of the bill.
After waiting on hold for 45 minutes, they would dissconect me. eventually
a rep would admit they were wrong, promise to adjust on the next bill.
The following month, guess what? that person no longer works here, let me transfer you. ooops.
I went through this charade every month for 2 years.

I've tried 'em all, So far verizon has been the best. I would love an apple
phone, but refuse to use cingular ever again. sorry steve.
 
MacinDoc said:
The problem with this, at least in North America, is that you are largely competing with locked phones, which are heavily subsidized when you sign up for a contract. I can just hear it now - "Why should I buy the Apple phone for $400 when I can get X brand phone for $100?"
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That would hold true if this was anything like a nomral offering from Motorola/Samsung/Nokia, but this phone from Apple is thought to be much much more.

$400 for a phone? People have been paying about that much for years for just music players. You don't think they'll pay that much for a phone that plays music among many other things?

Also, I would think they'd want to latch onto some emerging technologies like T-Mobile's WiFi phone service. That would seem more appropriate for Apple then going with Cingular (or AT&T Wireless as the commercial on the television just informed me).
 
color guy said:
Every single month cingular would try and sneak in some extra charges.

These charges would always be buried on page 3 or 4 of the bill.
After waiting on hold for 45 minutes, they would dissconect me. eventually
a rep would admit they were wrong, promise to adjust on the next bill.
The following month, guess what? that person no longer works here, let me transfer you. ooops.
I went through this charade every month for 2 years.
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Me, same scenario but with Sprint.
We even got so tired of this we told them several times very loudly "Then disconnect the damn phone!". They still didn't listen to us and started telling us over and over again why we shouldn't turn off the phone. I wanted to punch someone.

Again, they ALL suck!

I have heard this same story from someone on every US carrier. Its a tactic they all use.
 
color guy said:
Every single month cingular would try and sneak in some extra charges.

These charges would always be buried on page 3 or 4 of the bill.
After waiting on hold for 45 minutes, they would dissconect me. eventually
a rep would admit they were wrong, promise to adjust on the next bill.
The following month, guess what? that person no longer works here, let me transfer you. ooops.
I went through this charade every month for 2 years.

I've tried 'em all, So far verizon has been the best. I would love an apple
phone, but refuse to use cingular ever again. sorry steve.
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I COULDN't be happier with Verizon.
 
fact of the matter is ALL US cell phone carrier stink. if you go to any other countries, the reception is phenomenal. absolutely zero drop calls.

comparing Cingular to Verizon is like comparing Raiders to Lions....one might be better, but both stink hell.

If Apple indeed goes with Cingular, the best bet for you guys would be to go to London and buy a phone there so you can use it anywhere. I HIGHLY doubt Cingular will unlock the phone even if you call in.
 
Let's just hope this phone isn't a piece of cr@p! Just because it is Apple doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to be a decent phone with decent reception and service features. Apple has made a few stinkers in it's history as well as hits.

I currently have Cingular with no current contract so this will work for me but not sure if I'll bite on a gen 1 product from Apple. Besides it is just a friggin phone. Whoo Hoo who really gives a cr@p.

Bring on the computers Apple that's what your good at.
 
well i paid money to cancel my cingular contract. i love my VZW service and treo 700w. customer service is amazing and service never lets me down....personally better than my cingular service.

to each there own, i'm in the Northeast however where VZW is king.
 
I can't wait. I hope it is a global phone since that is what I need and I hate every phone on the market and know Apple will do it right...
 
speaking of cell phone, I hope someone brings a class action against these cell phone companies to stop them from hammering people with early termination fee even if that means paying more for cell. it's outrageous, especially cingular, that they provide service that does NOT work and hammers consumer with early termination fee because they were stupid enough to join them to begin with.

Cingular is absolutely brutal as far as connectivity is concerned and i live in New York. they constantly drop calls and whenever I try to make calls it randomly would not go through. Verizon is a bit better but not by much.

being a constant road warrior, when you are used to using cell phones in countries such as Korea, Japan and Hong Kong, US service is a joke. If the service was bad in rural area only, I would somewhat understand. But the problem is that service is bad regardless of where you are.
 
Mac Fly (film) said:
So much for Europe?
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Not to worry. Cingular offers GSM mobile network which means the Apple "iPhone" is GSM. Just use your existing SIM card on it.

The story is not true. Most of these analysts talk and make up sh*t anyway. Apple will be selling the phone via Apple Store/Dealers...unlocked. The mobile carriers can/will offer the phone with attractive voice/data plans to attract customers. The cost of the phone will be amortised within the contract term. The phone will obviously be sold globally and this is how it is going to work.
 
Um guys? Im pretty sure the "iPhone" is very real. We can stop wondering now.


Also, Verizon is no better than Cingular which is no better than Sprint or switch that any way you want it. Your phone service provider sucks.

And one last thing, CDMA sucks too.
 
I do hope Apple doesn't go Cingular-only. But if they do, I think Apple, or the community will make unlocking it easy. :)

I remember back in the day it sucked and they wanted me to pay additional money to go GSM (it was new back then). No thanks. I want good service with what I paid for, jerks. :mad:
 
coal said:
That would hold true if this was anything like a nomral offering from Motorola/Samsung/Nokia, but this phone from Apple is thought to be much much more.

$400 for a phone? People have been paying about that much for years for just music players. You don't think they'll pay that much for a phone that plays music among many other things?

Also, I would think they'd want to latch onto some emerging technologies like T-Mobile's WiFi phone service. That would seem more appropriate for Apple then going with Cingular (or AT&T Wireless as the commercial on the television just informed me).
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I think the point was that they wouldn;t pay $400 if it was availiable for $100. If there was only the $400 model I have no doubt it'd sell
 
If you can, buy the phone outright and you can use it on your favourite GSM network and there is no Cingular issue.

Not introducing any phone to Europe is one huge mistake, one that even Apple couldn't be incompetent enough to make.

I hope this phone makes it to Rogers and Fido in Canada.
 
syklee26 said:
fact of the matter is ALL US cell phone carrier stink. if you go to any other countries, the reception is phenomenal. absolutely zero drop calls.

comparing Cingular to Verizon is like comparing Raiders to Lions....one might be better, but both stink hell.

If Apple indeed goes with Cingular, the best bet for you guys would be to go to London and buy a phone there so you can use it anywhere. I HIGHLY doubt Cingular will unlock the phone even if you call in.
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They have to unlock the phone! Wasn't some legislation passed for that recently. It'll cost you though.
 
there is this one samsung phone sold by Verizon wireless that allows it to be used in both GSM and CDMA environment. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple indeed use that technology. that would cater to both sides of the world.
 
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