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I tried to joke

I was going to post, "well, where else will you be able to buy 'Dropkick me Jesus (through the goalpost of life)'" but then I went to iTMS, and sure enough it is there!

I'm just surprised nobody has made a fake Photoshop logo (I would but don't have the skillz).
 
Originally posted by Makosuke
Funny... I live in a relatively small town 300 miles from the nearest city of any substance, and when Wal*Mart made plans to build a superstore here people fought viciously to keep them away... and actually succeeded. No Wal*Mart within at least 150 miles, and I'm proud of it.

Wow. I'm very impressed. Can I move there? 😀 Around here, people would practically line up to be the first into a new Wal-Mart supercenter. They'll happily participate in the raping of the local economy to save a few cents, all while not giving a damn. And this is a pretty wealthy area!

Wildly unrelated, conspiracy theory thought: Wal*Mart is known to have a negative effect on local economies. And of all store chains in the world, who benefits most by people being poor? The one selling the cheapest (and lowest-quality) goods... Wal*Mart. They may be the only retailer in the world whose sales go up the poorer people get.

Yep. Wal-Mart is pure evil, even more than Microsoft. Isn't it rather insidious how they coerce shoppers to participate in their own local economy's demise? Consider the facts:

- ALL FIVE of the Waltons are individually members of the top 10 richest people in the world. Think almost 5x Bill Gates!
- They pay their workers squat with crappy if any benefits.
- This is how they keep prices low to entice shoppers ... and any profits from economies of scale go straight to the Waltons, sucked right out of the local economy!
- Any place where they open up a store, the competition (whether Mom & Pop or smaller chain) generally dies because they can't/won't treat their workers poorly enough to lower prices and compete.

Granted, most of what they are doing is "fair" under the rules of capitalism -- about the only real abuse of monopoly power I can think of is the music/video censorship. But that doesn't mean it's not evil.

This is totally off topic but oh well. 😛 If you need any more proof that they are evil, read this. It was the straw that finally broke the camel's back, and my wife and I no longer shop there.
 
Re: Disappointing.

Originally posted by Brent Turbo
4 positives, 35 negatives.

How hypocritical. Microsoft is a monopoly that should be stopped, but fair competition in the "music store" arena is a bad thing? Hate to tell you, but monopolies suck no matter who's in charge. An Apple dominated computer world would be just as bad for everyone as a Microsoft dominated one.

Ah, finally! Someone with a mind!

Just kidding.....everyone here seems to think about things before typing.

Brent is absolutely right. A monopoly is a monopoly is a monopoly, whether or not it is run by microsoft or Apple. We **need** competition, it keeps Apple innovative!
 
Have you been reading these posts?

Originally posted by Brent Turbo
4 positives, 35 negatives.

Most people are voting "negative" because of Wal-Mart's predatory ways of doing things (I voted "negative" for this very reason). Some of the posts in this thread give some anecdotal evidence of Wal-Mart's effect on small towns, for example.

In my small hometown in NW Georgia, a Wal-Mart's appearing on just the outskirts of town has resulted in some closings (1 national retail store, 1 regional grocery store). Now shoppers have limited choice when it comes to buying retail merchandise, if they don't want to leave town.

My father works for a company that manufactures products that Wal-Mart sells. I had the chance to speak with one of the main fellows in Sales (way back in '95), and he told me Wal-Mart is one of the most difficult companies to deal with. They are the 800-pound gorilla of the retail market right now, and they can pretty much do what they wish.

FWIW
 
Originally posted by bankshot



Yep. Wal-Mart is pure evil, even more than Microsoft. Isn't it rather insidious how they coerce shoppers to participate in their own local economy's demise? Consider the facts:

- ALL FIVE of the Waltons are individually members of the top 10 richest people in the world. Think almost 5x Bill Gates!
- They pay their workers squat with crappy if any benefits.
- This is how they keep prices low to entice shoppers ... and any profits from economies of scale go straight to the Waltons, sucked right out of the local economy!
- Any place where they open up a store, the competition (whether Mom & Pop or smaller chain) generally dies because they can't/won't treat their workers poorly enough to lower prices and compete.

Granted, most of what they are doing is "fair" under the rules of capitalism -- about the only real abuse of monopoly power I can think of is the music/video censorship. But that doesn't mean it's not evil.

One quibble here: I know several people who work at my local Wal*Mart. 5 of them are full time employees, who get full time benefits: they tell me how luck they are to have primo dental, medical, and even chiropractic plans at their disposal. They frequently use their dental plan, and one broke his leg off the job and all his medical expenses were completely covered.

60% of profits are kept in the local community. My small town (8,000 people in the city, 25,000 in the entire county) has had a Wal*Mart for 8 years. The only businesses that go out of buisness are those who everyone knew would die out: card shops, a sex toy store, and one too many video rental places (my town can only support three at once). Why has my town not been subject to what you say will happen? I see no logical reason to say Wal*Mart is evil.
 
oK I HAVENT READ ALL THE THREAD but what i have seen so far indicates that theres censorship in walmart... Hate to say this guys but the US just seems very lacking in Freedom these days cant do this cant have that if your gona have this you need this out of that etc etc

As I am no were near Americana or my home land i will say this its a joke a big joke and i blame the Net. the reall money makers here are these so called BIG 5 RECORD LABELS .. id love to see what the contracts are for these online music stores and has anyone noticed very few of the lables are making any issues out of these sites ..
 
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I'm a poor college student and if you ask anyone at my school they all love that we have a Wal Mart 3 miles down the street. It's a real life saver and their grocery section is literally like Publix with a permanent 40% off on all food items.


a poor college student you say? lets just hope that you didnt steal that fully loaded brand new $2500 laptop you describe....🙄
 
alright, i think toys r us, gateway, vons, ralphs, and taget are gonna have their own online music stores online. wait ther's 1 more! ther's gonna be a McDonald's Music store... hey that'b cool if u buy a supersize combo, 1 free song... not a bad idea...
 
Originally posted by theipodgod16
a poor college student you say? lets just hope that you didnt steal that fully loaded brand new $2500 laptop you describe....🙄

Maybe it's the laptop that made him so poor.

Ever hear of loans?????

Get off our backs, we're students!
 
Someone jokingly said "my music store will beopening soon with downloads of 200 dollars"...sorry not trying to not mention your name but i don't feel like wading through the posts right now. I was thinking about this concept and honestly i think the next step is this. That's right...individual music stores, and individual band stores. Phish cringe has already done this offering songs online. Hole sold an album exclusively over the net and lots of bands release exclusive content for fans through their sites. So whats stopping artists from DIY and saying the hell with record labels i will write my own music store app, or go through Apple as just a means of distribtion and skip hard copies unless someone were to send away for it. This is what i see happening in the next 2 years or so. Mind you it will be in Newsweek as novel idea and then become a norm. Also i think another interesting concept is the idea of celebrity playlists taken further. To a celebrity music store. Like if Shaquille Oneal were to have is own music store and people would flock to it to "get" a little closer to their idol by listening to their music, but also the prestige etc involved with co branding an athlete with a musician and then pile corporate sponsorship. See where i'm going. didn't say it was good, honestly just raping and pillaging of big business but i'd subscribe to a music store run by Rivers Cuomo or Brian Wilson.
 
Wal-Mart is not evil...just like Microsoft is not evil...just like Apple is not evil.

They all have the same goal in mind: profit.

They are all guilty of squashing competition with different means.

Their growth forces others to innovate and determine the needs & desires of the consumer. (I think I read an article about a mom and pop shop that refused to go out of business so they changed their focus from "just" providing goods to providing great service and a unique experience. They succeeded.)

Competition forces innovation and better customer service. The free market society will always be based on profit and the need of the consumer. That is actually a good thing.
 
Loss leader, monopoly, evil corp, blah, blah, blah.

Everyone is jumping on the band wagon.

I know, Apple uses the music store as a loss leader for the iPod. Bulls*** I say. Right now, iPod sales are paying for some of the start up costs of itms. Maybe to investors the idea was pitched this way, but it will change. What about the post of a new Sony all in one mp3/playstation/cell phone/knife/toilet wipper? Many people were saying how the price will drop on mp3 players and this is good competition to keep Apple inovating and lower prices.

Apple will make money on iPods and I think they are going to start making money on itms. Just take some of the numbers they have put up so far. Now figure they are making $.20 a song - a resonable guess I think. Note, this is not profit, just goes to Apple to cover costs. Now, how much in more "innovation" needs to come in with itms on the mac and pc? One report I heard stated Apple expects to break even (including initial startup costs) within the first year the itms is in operation! iTMS a loss leader? Give me a break!

Yes, Walmart produces cheap stuff. I buy diapers there for a reason. I will also buy some CD's there. Since I don't buy many explicit artists, Walmart's CHOICE (not censorship - the gov't can censor, a corp doesn't have to provide you with anything they don't want to, get over it) to not offer those CD's doesn't affect me. If I can save a few pennies, great. Sounds the same to me. Would I buy something I want to last there? No, that is just me.

Walmart's online music store will probably fail. Most likely will be cheaper than anyone out there, maybe have strict DRM but may be able to come close to Apples, but will most likely not be ease to use and most importantly not fit with the majority (read MAJORITY, not ALL) of the Walmart market.

Long run is this should keep Apple honest and hopefully trying to keep the market lead. I am glad to see iPod/iTMS ads running on prime time, cable and major magazine including back covers. I don't think I have EVER seen this much Apple advertising for this long (at least 2 months and counting). Keep it up Apple. I'm sticking with iTMS and my iPod.
 
Originally posted by QCassidy352
agreed, this is nuts. How many are we up to by now? Apple, napster, dell, sony (right?), walmart, buymusic.com... and I'm sure I'm forgetting many. Methinks there isn't room in the market for this many people.
canada puretracks.com [stinks] microsoft in europe, us coming iBet, not to mention subscription like Rhapsody.
 
Re: Re: Re: Is this true?

Originally posted by Ruthless
that is awsome i actually laughed to myself!!!!
And what's wrong with Linux. Lindows stinks, but iLike Mandrake. [waits for insults]
 
Apple arent in the game of being number one music store for the sake of being number one, it´s to breakeven and maintain a platform for profitable iPods. I dont know how cash strapped the average Walmart customer is, but if the Walmart emphasis is on the poorer end of the market then their customers arent in the market for iPods. Therefore why should Apple worry if Walmart customers dont buy their music from iTMS?

And even if Walmart sell a $1.99 music player, again, so what for Apple? The iPod has been competing against cheap music players since day one and still coming out way on top and growing.

At the moment iTMS sells 80% of all legally downloaded music, but as long as volume is maintained, the share could fall to 50% or lower as new people come in to join the "lets not make money on internet music store party". Apple will still make a load of money as the iPod continues to roll out the door and will still be able to fine tune the store.

Apple have done the hard work, they will continue to push, but let the rest work out how to catch up and make money from loss-making internet music.
 
Jesus christ!
It seems nowadays 7-11 will wind up starting a music store, so will Subway, so will Amoco, rofl. Walmart too? That's sad.
 
I read an article about a year ago that gave some info on how Wal-Mart actually runs it's business. It was kind of disturbing. But here are some keypoints that were discussed.

They are anti-union. If you affilliate or become unioninized you will get fired. They will find a reason, and if there is no reason then they will make one, i.e. you will get framed or set up.

Most of the products you buy in Wal-Mart were made in sweat shops.

When Wal-Mart buys their products from distributors/wholesalers they practically force them to lower their cost, thus the reason why most of the stuff you buy (except CD's/DVD's etc.) was made in sweat shops. It's the only way the distributor/wholesaler can keep from losing money on the deal.

That's all I can remember from the article.

So think of who actually made those shoes next time you buy a pair in Wal-Mart.
 
Originally posted by fuge
Wal-Mart is not evil...just like Microsoft is not evil...just like Apple is not evil.

They all have the same goal in mind: profit.

They are all guilty of squashing competition with different means.

Their growth forces others to innovate and determine the needs & desires of the consumer. (I think I read an article about a mom and pop shop that refused to go out of business so they changed their focus from "just" providing goods to providing great service and a unique experience. They succeeded.)

Competition forces innovation and better customer service. The free market society will always be based on profit and the need of the consumer. That is actually a good thing.

You are right, it is not the corporations that are evil, but capitalism for making them that way.


The free market society will always be based on profit and the need of the consumer. That is actually a good thing.

Hmm... not sure how thats a good thing 😕 Corporate swines, raping the planet to make a buck... stepping on anything and anyone that gets in their way... yea thats great 🙄
 
If Wal Mart enters the online music distribution business, it'll use the same techniques, on the record companies, it uses to bludgeon their suppliers into giving them lower prices than anyone else. And I think, as people who are used to the quality of service the iTunes Music Store offers, you should be very worried.

Not too long ago, NPR ran a series about Wal Mart. Apparently, they sell the most dog food out of anyone else in the dog food business. But Purina still cuts them a deal because of the sheer marketshare they control. Rather than the supplier dictating the price of their product, the retailer is.

It's not out of line from my past experience. When I was working for a buying agency in Taiwan, one of the things that was known was that Wal Mart had cut lower deals with the shippers... again, because of their Death Star-caliber market share.

I don't shop at Wal Mart. I don't consider myself a bomb-throwing anarchist, but I don't believe in the way they do business, with forcing out smaller mom-and-pops and that they are fiercly anti-union. I don't like the quality of their goods, the fact that they seem to ram "family values" down the throats of people who *have* to shop there, and frankly, the whole store seems like a cult (with the guy greeting you at the door, the Nuremberg-esque shift cheers and those creepy blue aprons). If you think MS is bad, Wal Mart is the Emperor from Star Wars and Sauron rolled into one big bad enchilada.

But that doesn't mean that everyone thinks like I do. They didn't get to be where they are without a lot of customers. And for whatever my problems are with this company, many of these people don't share them -- for whatever reason, lots of people *like* the fact that they carry "clean" CDs. And with all of those potential customers, they could reshape the online music distribution system and the price structure of hard disc and/or flash-based players. It might not be as user-friendly and it might not be of the same quality, but if history has taught us anything, it's that quality does not necessarily win when compared to cheap (Beta vs. VHS, Mac OS vs. Windows).

Reading the posts, it seems that most of you, as well, also sees the "evilness" of Wal Mart, or at least, it's a shining example as predator of profit by any means necessary. Hell, most of you have Macs, so you're far from Wal Mart's target demo -- what do you think the chances are Wal Mart's going to carry a G5?

For the time being, it seems that Wal Mart's attempts at on-line retailing haven't been very successful. But given their history, it's something that deserves more thought and concern than blowing them off as "evil" and that in the end, it doesn't matter because Cleetus shops there for his Lindows PC.
 
This music downloading craze is getting out of hand.... next we'll see mcdonald's and general motors jumping on this bandwagon.
 
It is funny that Walmart and Microsoft were categorized as evils here (maybe true, maybe not) but I find it more ironic that this was reported by the NEW YORK ******* POST owned by Rupert Murdoch.
 
Also, just an aside -- Yes, I do realize all companies exploit in one way or another. But it doesn't mean I have to like it and take it from the worst of the bunch.
 
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