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We probably pay more per GB on those monthly 2-year contracts than you do on a prepaid or month-to-month plan. At AT&T, we pay $60+tax for 300MB of data on 1 line, which isn't a whole lot of data.

OUCH, no it is not. *sympathy*. Now thinking I'm better off paying the full price and staying on prepaid.
 
Its a FIRE SALE !

Hahahah , I'm Crazy Gideon ...come on down and take advantage of my prices,

Very niccccccce !

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Moreover, if someone wants what you describe, it's readily available in the US. I pay $30 a month and full price for my phones.

I see. Sounds interesting. A few questions to make sure it is the same kind of service/price:
-How much do you pay for 1GB of data? (about $8 in my case)
-How much would do you pay if one month, for any reason (vacation, travel...), you just make a couple of calls and send a few text? (around $1 in my case)
-Do you have to pay to receive calls/txt? (not here)
 
Walmart Permanently Discounts iPhone 5c to $29 and iPhone 5s to $99

I see. Sounds interesting. A few questions to make sure it is the same kind of service/price:
-How much do you pay for 1GB of data? (about $8 in my case)
-How much would do you pay if one month, for any reason (vacation, travel...), you just make a couple of calls and send a few text? (around $1 in my case)
-Do you have to pay to receive calls/txt? (not here)


That $30 gets me 5 GB of LTE, with unlimited EDGE afterwards; unlimited SMS; 100 minutes, with 10 cents a minute after those 100.
 
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That $30 gets me 5 GB of LTE, with unlimited EDGE afterwards; unlimited SMS; 100 minutes, with 10 cents a minute after those 100.

And the particular plan that he's referring to is at http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-plans under "$30 per month--Unlimited web and text with 100 minutes talk," if anybody happens to be interested. And just to clarify, the unlimited EDGE speeds still keep you connected to whatever's the fastest data network available, but raw speeds will be limited. LTE latency is good, so while max speeds will be dramatically slower, basic things can still be done at prior speeds, such as sending an iMessage.
 
That is just because the diabolic "subsidy" system in the USA. In other countries, with real competence, most people will not be pushed to buy a high end phone (due to the apparent inexpensiveness and the “even if don’t get the phone I still have to pay almost the same to the carrier, so…”). Instead you can see the real price of each item, and pay according to your needs.

You actually can buy off-contract in the U.S., but you end up with a bad deal. Our cell phone service in general is also much more expensive than is cell phone service in Europe. The USA has the problem of being spread out. Costs to the cell companies are high, and you're usually stuck with only a few to choose from, so there is no real competition. $30/mo is considered cheap and will buy you only a little data here, and people gladly pay big bucks for cell phone service. There's no unlimited anymore unless you go on the slow Sprint network.

If anyone wants a laugh, it's $20 per megabyte to use AT&T data on the sea. Not kidding. If you're ever on a cruise, turn off your cellular data. Once some stupid app wants to contact Facebook...
 
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That $30 gets me 5 GB of LTE, with unlimited EDGE afterwards; unlimited SMS; 100 minutes, with 10 cents a minute after those 100.

You forgot my second and third questions but anyway, it seems you got a good deal! :).
Then, I wonder why most people (at least according to what they mention in the forums) is paying $60, $70 even $100 a month. If I visit the main carriers websites their plans start at $50 to $70 (with 1 to 3GB), even if you bring your own device. Why whould anyone pay 3 times more if there is an alternative??
 
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I've said it before and it's proven. The iPhone 5c was a failure.


Where's the proof?

In the UK I see plenty of people with 5c - what I think people are getting confused with is thy think it was meant to sell as well as the 5S.

The sales are probably about the same as when the 4S became the 'cheaper' phone.
 
That is just because the diabolic "subsidy" system in the USA. In other countries, with real competence, most people will not be pushed to buy a high end phone (due to the apparent inexpensiveness and the “even if don’t get the phone I still have to pay almost the same to the carrier, so…”).

Other countries, with real competence?... ha. ha. ha. That's funny you think there are countries that are competent.

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They are making room for the iPhone 6 in September.

Its a FIRE SALE !

Well, not exactly a "fire sale." More like a "late adopter," and "keep sales on life support during the 'new phone is coming soon' lull."
 
So glad I live in the uk.. People in the states pay so much for cell service.. I bought the iPhone 5s full price (sim free) unlocked and pay £12.90 (roughly $20) a month and get totally unlimited data (no caps).. 600 minutes and 5000 texts.. Plus I get free roaming on AT&T & T-Mobiles networks in the states.. Austrailia and a bunch of other countries are free also. So I can continue to use my iPhone just as if I was still in the uk. Ironic that I can get unlimited data in the states cheaper than people who actually live there :D.. Plus from December 2015 roaming charges are being completely abolished within the EU and some countries in the EEC.. The USA is really very anti - competitive! T - Mobile seems to be the only thing driving any sort of competition over there..

Which network provider are you with? Is that with three? That would save me having to buy a pre-paid SIM everytime I go over and missing calls on my main number.
 
Wow, cheap. Lesson learned: If you want an iPhone that won't be the newest model for long, buy from Walmart or similar. The Apple Retail Store is going to charge full price until the iPhone 6 is out.

What do they do if you buy a 'Droid? Sell it for negative money on a contract? If it's just free, $29 or $99 is easily worth the upgrade.

Your right. Then apple wonders why they don't sell more phones at there retail stores. Obviously apple wants to sell every iphone from their stores but when your talking about a $100 savings most people will go elsewhere. Maybe the new retail chief can figure something out that will make it smart to buy a iPhone from apple. Maybe a iTunes card or some king of free case. I myself only buy my iPhone from apple because in the event I need to return it they always have one available. I can see best buy saying we are sold out. You have to wait.
 
Oh yeah, we get raped here in the states for stuff like that. Wanna hear how much we pay for home internet at 12 Mb/s?
You know, that awesome "free market" and whatnot.....

Umm, the problem is that with cable companies is that the market isnt 'free' enough. The lack if true competition in the cable industry allows them to charge such insane rates.
If you're anti free market, you picked a bad example to make your point.
 
Umm, the problem is that with cable companies is that the market isnt 'free' enough. The lack if true competition in the cable industry allows them to charge such insane rates.
If you're anti free market, you picked a bad example to make your point.
I'm not exactly anti-free market. It can be good, but also has it's faults.
The example I picked is actually a perfect one. The free market in real world practice is proven to be susceptible to the development of price fixing monopolies. The lack of true competition is the result of the free market.
 
Funny, just yesterday in the Android Auto thread, some people were saying that while CarPlay will be in luxury cars, Android Auto will be in cheap cars like Toyotas, Hondas and Hyundais because those cars, much like Android, are for peasants.

If a $50 Android phone is for peasants, I can't imagine what that makes a $29 iPhone. ;)


Actually, the list is pretty mixed. http://www.wired.com/2014/06/carplay-android-auto-automakers/

And as someone who has owned several Toyotas, and owns a BMW (my last one) right now I will tell you in a heartbeat that I find the BMW much more "peasant" than my Toyotas.
 
That is just because the diabolic "subsidy" system in the USA. In other countries, with real competence, most people will not be pushed to buy a high end phone (due to the apparent inexpensiveness and the “even if don’t get the phone I still have to pay almost the same to the carrier, so…”). Instead you can see the real price of each item, and pay according to your needs.

For example, my mother bought a Lumia 520 (about $120 off contract, SIM free… - iPhone 5c, is about $600-), and she only pays the amount of data/voice/text she really uses. She is in a postpaid account, but she can leave anytime freely, and there is not a base or minimum monthly fee. So, as she doesn’t use so much data or voice or text, some months she pays like $2 or $3, and an average of $5 or $6. This is the way it should be everywhere. If you use more, you pay more, BUT if you use little, you pay little, or even nothing if you did not use that month.

And by the way, I am talking about a country member of the European Union for more than 25 years, not a developing nation where people's salary is $200 a month.

Couple things.

First, what's with this "real competence" statement? Despite the fact that you talk smack about the US, plenty of nations benefit from as well as look up to the US. People would probably have a lot higher inclination to care what you have to say if you didn't start by spitting in their faces.

Second, the Lumia 520 is about the same price here as it is wherever your mother loves (by the way, why so cryptic? You could have just told us the country you were referencing. You know, that really competent one?) also, the 520 and the 5c are nowhere near comparable hardwares so stating that a 5c is $600 is largely irrelevant (and yes I have a 521, the US TMobile version of the phone, myself).

People ragging on the US contract plans aren't completely wrong. They are a bit of a joke. But comparing telco prices is a bit a a fallacy; actually it's a huge one. Your competent nation is likely the size of one of our smallest STATES. That doesn't make it any lesser. What it does do is make it much cheaper to create the necessary infrastructure for antennas and other necessary equipment. It is what it is.

Anyway, this dead horse has been beaten beyond recognition. Have a wonderful day.
 
You actually can buy off-contract in the U.S., but you end up with a bad deal. Our cell phone service in general is also much more expensive than is cell phone service in Europe. The USA has the problem of being spread out. Costs to the cell companies are high, and you're usually stuck with only a few to choose from, so there is no real competition. $30/mo is considered cheap and will buy you only a little data here, and people gladly pay big bucks for cell phone service. There's no unlimited anymore unless you go on the slow Sprint network.

If anyone wants a laugh, it's $20 per megabyte to use AT&T data on the sea. Not kidding. If you're ever on a cruise, turn off your cellular data. Once some stupid app wants to contact Facebook...

Not so fast, buddy. This is my plan on T-Mobile....:D
 

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300MB? That doesn't sound right. Granted, I'm on Verizon, but my wife and I share 3GB and pay $60 per phone.

The 300GB plan is legit, but there are better price plans with AT&T. I have the 10GB plan with 2 iPhones, an iPad, unlimited texts to anywhere in the world and domestic calls, I pay $115 per month (before they add all that tax and weird stuff on, of course).
 
You could have just told us the country you were referencing. You know, that really competent one?)

By process of elimination it can only be Germany; the bail out bank of every bankrupt or faltering Western European country. The irony here is though that U.S. citizens like the U.S. soldiers stationed in Germany to keep Europe safe from predators like Mr. Putin can buy a BMW for tens of thousands less than German citizens.

So let them think they are superior with their $100s less phone plans. :D
 
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In my european country I pay $11 (tax inc.) for 1,2 GB (max speed 7.2 Mb/s, but that is faster than my wired ADSL connection from 5 years ago, so...)

In my european country i got a free pre paid card with 1GB/month for a year. After that year i can just get a new one. I use it for my ipad.
 
So many people say this yet none have any sources for it. I suppose they figure if they say it often enough it will become true.

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if it were a hot seller it wouldn't have been so discounted

also the prove was the continually decrease in orders.

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discounts discounts discounts

if it were a hot seller it wouldn't have been so discounted

also the prove was the continually decrease in orders.

i follow macrumours

I guess the 5S is a failure too because it's also being discounted? :rolleyes:
 
I feel a bit ridiculous, but I haven't been able to find iPhone pricing on Walmart's site. Can anyone send me in the right direction?
 
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