People seem to forget that Tim Cook has been with Apple for many many years and was hand picked by Steve Jobs to be the next CEO. In the end it is just some company that makes great products. There isn't a real war going on people. Get over it.
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Walter Isaacson Says Jobs' Rage Over Android Was Real
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lincolntran
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Yes I thought about that but that's just an excuse. Microsoft use the touch screen but their OS look completely different from both iOS and android. They have some very different concepts in navigation and display information. For better or for worse is to each his own. But for that I respect Microsoft more. There are ways to do things. Sometime it's hard but that's why it's called innovation.
There's nothing wrong with selling software.
But there's something really wrong with selling COPIES of software, when the amount of money to make a copy after a master exists is negligible (even more so now with digital distribution).
Free software can be supported by donations, for example. But someone needs to come up with a better way of selling software without resorting to selling individual COPIES.
"Destroy" can be accomplished in a multitude of ways. Designing and creating superior products that grab marketshare can destroy a competetor far better than lawsuits or canon fire.
Jobs and apple claim for a fair fight. Stealing is not fair, and then giving away for profit what you stole is an affront. Same goes for samdung and friends.
At least ms has done its own work this time around, albeit based on an apple product, as usual...
Wow! What planet do you live on? The best way has been implemented. If there were a better way, as you suggest, it would be in place in a flash.
Another Nail in the Google Coffin
"Copying" and evolution are two different things. Google and Samsung could have used the smart-phone idea, but designed their own UI, their own unlock mechanism, and their own form-factor. Instead of evolving the concept, the first finished products looked nearly identical to the iPhone and iOS. This is why we have patent laws. As broken as the system is, it is the best we have right now.
What would you do if a board member of your company obviously ran off and told a competitive company about your ideas? So Apple re-tasked the Xerox interface; it has been decades. Why did Xerox not enter the PC market? Because they wanted to be in the reproduction business.
I am boycotting all Samsung products and will continue to do so. I urge you all to do the same. Not only is it illegal, but very unethical to steal ideas from your best customer. If that is how they do business, I will vote with my dollars. There are plenty of other TV choices. Soon, there may be one more.
As for Google, most of their proprietary knowledge is in the search engine and mapping. Now that Apple has purchased a mapping company and has begun to sever their service ties with Google, how long could it take before the entire iOS user base is using Apple maps. How difficult can it be to build a new search engine or even change the concept of the search engine?
Google has not continued to innovate and seems to do everything half-hearted. Couple their lackluster innovation with their unethical business practices and I see another nail in the Google coffin. I am quite sure few will share my vision, but I am also quite sure that Apple does.
"Copying" and evolution are two different things. Google and Samsung could have used the smart-phone idea, but designed their own UI, their own unlock mechanism, and their own form-factor. Instead of evolving the concept, the first finished products looked nearly identical to the iPhone and iOS. This is why we have patent laws. As broken as the system is, it is the best we have right now.
What would you do if a board member of your company obviously ran off and told a competitive company about your ideas? So Apple re-tasked the Xerox interface; it has been decades. Why did Xerox not enter the PC market? Because they wanted to be in the reproduction business.
I am boycotting all Samsung products and will continue to do so. I urge you all to do the same. Not only is it illegal, but very unethical to steal ideas from your best customer. If that is how they do business, I will vote with my dollars. There are plenty of other TV choices. Soon, there may be one more.
As for Google, most of their proprietary knowledge is in the search engine and mapping. Now that Apple has purchased a mapping company and has begun to sever their service ties with Google, how long could it take before the entire iOS user base is using Apple maps. How difficult can it be to build a new search engine or even change the concept of the search engine?
Google has not continued to innovate and seems to do everything half-hearted. Couple their lackluster innovation with their unethical business practices and I see another nail in the Google coffin. I am quite sure few will share my vision, but I am also quite sure that Apple does.
I often have this problem with iOS. Just today something in the iPod app went wrong and got stuck on a song. I had to use the home button to exit out of the app then close it out using the task manager to restart it.
Yes but the main reason Jobs was pissed about windows was because it copied mac os. The monopolistic politics of microsoft are something entirely different which don't concern Apple directly. So on that front, it is history repeating itself.
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That's a crash. Not lag.
chatfan
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You should read this article about the confrontation between jobs and Schmid and how jobs left him on the side of the road between burning man and the hotel:
http://gawker.com/5497193/exclusive...-lost-his-mistress-his-partner-and-steve-jobs
There was also an post from Eric's point of view, but it got deleted.
To be honest I understand jobs reaction all too well. You want to bring something to the world in a way you know only your company can do well, because everybody else will go for the cheap money concession trail, and then some of your former engineers and buddy Eric rip your heart out and copy all the really clever bits.
I would go to Japan and buy ninja stars too!
I heard about Android long before I heard about the iPhone, long before Google got their hands on it, but the iPhone turned it into what it is today. But like everything, it is whatever suits you, there is no "best" because whatever works and is popular will be part of any next incarnation.
http://gawker.com/5497193/exclusive...-lost-his-mistress-his-partner-and-steve-jobs
There was also an post from Eric's point of view, but it got deleted.
To be honest I understand jobs reaction all too well. You want to bring something to the world in a way you know only your company can do well, because everybody else will go for the cheap money concession trail, and then some of your former engineers and buddy Eric rip your heart out and copy all the really clever bits.
I would go to Japan and buy ninja stars too!
I heard about Android long before I heard about the iPhone, long before Google got their hands on it, but the iPhone turned it into what it is today. But like everything, it is whatever suits you, there is no "best" because whatever works and is popular will be part of any next incarnation.
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Very very difficult. Microsoft is spending millions of dollars and yet bing is nowhere near as good as google. It's not just about designing, you have to get people to use it as well since search engines becomes smarter the more people use it. So Google will always be the best one for the foreseeable future as long as it's the most used one out there. (Unless someone comes up with a whole new A.I. which works differently).
Maps is easier. Bing maps already works as good as Google maps and I think their panoramic view triumphs anything Google maps offers right now. So maps can actually be ok if Apple goes their own way, but search, no.
Yeah that's so much better than a lag. I just gave that as an example of something that has happened TODAY. Often times in Safari I have had to swipe twice to scroll, or press on a link twice to get it to acknowledge. These things are not just limited to Android phones.
Every computer can crash. The important thing is the frequency of crashes. But that other user was mentioning lag issues with Android, which effect your everyday use, every day. Not just every once in a while. If the OS is not as responsive as another one, that's not a one time event like a crash but persistent all the time. I can't comment on the lag issue he has since I don't have an Android phone but I've heard from various people that iOS runs more smooth and responsive in general. May be wrong though.
Mattie Num Nums
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Winni
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You can't destroy Android for a very simple reason: It's OPEN SOURCE. Forks can be created easily, patented crap can be avoided and re-implemented.
It's unstoppable.
IJ Reilly
macrumors P6
His was willing to say whatever was required to get what he wanted. So what did he want? If you can't answer that question then you are missing the essence of the man.
It's not "deluded" to know the answer, merely informed.
I think that Steve discovered early on that if he got people emotionally riled up and pissed-off, they would produce more and better than otherwise. Many managers use this tactic on a regular basis. Out of the office they appear to be normal loving individuals. Outside perceptions and descriptions of this behavior vary on the observer's position and viewpoint.
DakotaGuy
macrumors 601
I will have to remember this post and pull it back up in a year to see if Android is done in the mobile market like predicted. Do you expect they will be pulling out out the mobile phone business by then or would you give them 18 months before that happens?
So many on these forums predicted that Android would never take off and would be a complete failure. How wrong they were.
I understand that certain people may think that all people should carry the same phone and there should be no choice except the iPhone, however I like having a choice.
TehFalcon
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faroZ06
macrumors 68040
My flip-phone had push notifications before the iPhone. Of course, they were a lot worse. I haven't ever used a Blackberry for more than 5 seconds, but it's unlikely that they had no push notifications.
The idea of a smartphone was not new, but Apple was the one who really made it into a mainstream product that was actually good. It's like the Mac; Xerox already had a GUI PC, but it wasn't produced really. Apple didn't invent having GUI on a PC, but they made it happen.
iPhone is selling more than any single Android phones, but Androids in the whole are selling more than iPhones, and that's what matters to Google. Getting its services in as many devices as possible. And they're doing it in about 100% of iPhones, every Android, and some Windows Phones.
iPhones are selling like hot cakes, and so are Androids. And guess what, both Apple and Google make money on both, but Google still earns more. Hell, they even make money on Macs as long as people use Google on it. And most do.
Google is bigger than Apple. Their stocks are valued higher, and are going to grow for a long time. Again, just like Apple.
Yeah, right. Go ahead and do it. Apple is just starting to learn the basics of search engines, with Siri, and have plenty to learn before even thinking to be in the same league as Google. I might say that it would be their biggest challenge so far, and probably an impossible one to accomplish in a reasonable amount of time. It might not even be profitable for them. They have a bad relationship with Google for years now, and guess what is the main search engine on Apple systems? That's right, Google. Because it's the best for most users.