Want to learn Programming language in preparation for Post Grad...

Discussion in 'Mac Programming' started by WelshRover, Feb 16, 2009.

  1. WelshRover macrumors newbie

    Feb 16, 2009
    Hello, I finished my undergraduate degree in Physics last year during which I had limited experience with Fortran. It was the first and only programming language I have ever used. We had an introductory course in 2nd year and were required to use it in a couple of research projects afterwards.

    As it's been a couple of years since I used it, I'm fairly out of practice. I'm beginning a PhD in the Autumn and although it will be an experimental project, I will need to use a programming language for modelling.

    So my question...

    For scientific modelling, should I relearn Fortran, or would you recommend I started to learn C++ or another alternative. Can I download a compiler for free?

    I'm sure you realise I only need basic understanding of a language. I won't be producing any software or anything, I just want to be confident in the art of computation.
  2. eddietr macrumors 6502a

    Oct 29, 2006
    Well, I would look at what your department or group is using. Usually you're not writing your own tools from scratch; your department most likely has a toolkit or toolkits that they use as foundations for their work.

    That would likely influence your decision on which language to learn.

    As for the compiler, yes, if you have a Mac you can download XCode which is Apple's IDE and underlying compiler and other tools. It is available free from http://developer.apple.com/mac

    Of if you are Linux, then your particular distribution also has free developer tools packages. Some of them may already be installed on your system.
  3. WelshRover thread starter macrumors newbie

    Feb 16, 2009
    Thanks for your replies. All my friends who did Maths courses used MatLab. I here this is much more user friendly. Is it also a lot more basic?
  4. lee1210 macrumors 68040


    Jan 10, 2005
    Dallas, TX
    If you do decide you want/need to pursue fortran on OS X, there is a compiler called G95 available at http://g95.org/. It doesn't fully support all of Fortran 95, but it does a good job with what it does support. This compiler is free.

    here's a link to binaries for OS X on x86

    here's the link for PPC

    You really should find out, as eddietr said, what is the lingua franca of your department or group is, though. If it's not fortran, there's not much use in refreshing your knowledge there. Depending on the requirements, they may use a higher level language like Python for fast prototyping, rewriting performance-critical section in C, etc. as needed. Without knowing this you'd just be guessing.

    If you do need C++, there is a free compiler, g++, available as part of GCC (GNU Compiler Collection). This is installed with XCode, which eddietr mentioned in his post.

    As for Matlab... It's very common in academia, but that's probably because it's very cheap for student and academic use (there's a license for $99 for student use), but once you graduate, a proper license will set you back $1,950. If you don't need it, I wouldn't spend my time there.

  5. trule macrumors 6502

    Mar 16, 2007
    Well, if you use simulation software all you have to do is enter the mathematical equations (or other parameters). If you want to use a programming language then you have to IMPLEMENT the logic behind those equations.

    Don't waste your time learning to program, Matlab et al are significantly easier and far more capable when it comes to modelling.
  6. Cromulent macrumors 603


    Oct 2, 2006
    The Land of Hope and Glory
    I hear Python is becoming more popular in the scientific and mathematics communities. You might want to look into that. Nice easy language too.
  7. lazydog macrumors 6502a

    Sep 3, 2005
    Cramlington, UK

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