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Why do we need the Mac Pro?

A maxed out 27" iMac delivers more bang for the buck IMO

4 cores vs 12 cores
16 GBs of RAM vs 64
2.25 TB internal HDD vs 8
1 GPU vs 2 GPUs (each capable of driving 2 big monitors)
1 SuperDrive vs 2
1 ethernet ports vs 2 (one incoming for internet, one out to printer)

Pricier? Oh yeah.... but for some people this is just a business expense - a tool to get work done.
 
wow are people serious... we've had far too many threads on how the mac pro is dying etc, at this point in time its safe so can people stop making threads every other day. all these stories are just rumors
 
Already done and I encourage others to do the same.

Just submitted my Feedback:

I've heard that Apple might discontinue the Mac Pro.
I'm just writing this to voice my opinion on this issue. This computer is more than just a powerful work horse. There is nothing like it on the market.

I work for a television network in Canada as a 3D animator and Motion Graphics Designer. My entire design department uses Macs, most of them MacPro's. In the 2 years that I've been with this company, I've rarely heard of computer issues. These machines are effective, precise and greatly reliable. We work with HD, sometimes 4K footage. Rendering high quality 3D graphics, visual effects and beautiful design on these machines is a pleasure.

It isn't just because of the processors, GPU, RAM or any other vital component. It's the combination of all those things, tried and tested running on the most stable OS there is.

Sure, we could switch to a Windows computer that might be cheaper . But then we would compromise stability for cheap parts. We would trade effective workflow and organization for hours and days wasted on configuring drivers and troubleshooting any number of problems.

There is no substitute of this caliber of computing. We are content creators that are proud of our work. And I hope someone at Apple understands that as a leader of an industry, sometimes the bottom line isn't the most important thing. So hopefully, you guy's are proud of a machine that greatly helps this small yet powerful community of Mac users.
 
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You have my sword!
 
Keep in mind even if the Mac Pro doesn't get cut, but instead replaced, providing feedback let's Apple know what would be important to you in a replacement.

And even if the Mac Pro isn't being cut, it provides a nice reminder to Apple.
 
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Why do we need the Mac Pro?

A maxed out 27" iMac delivers more bang for the buck IMO

I have a maxed out 27" iMac (last years) at my work, at home I work from a Mac Pro (2010). You can't even put the difference into words. 2 GB non raid internal disk? Have fun cutting HD-Video. Sure, you can get it done, might have to use a NAS or Firewire Raid.
Send something to Soundtrack - wait 10 mintes. Render some cuts - wait 20 minutes. Send everything to color - yawn. Export from Color - wait. Send final product to compressor - wait 2 days.
Convert some AVCHD to ProRes - wait forever.

Sure, you also need to wait on a Mac Pro. But it takes way less time. When we film in the morning and I take the recordings home to work on them - I can render a rough cut in the evening and it's done the next day. When I take them to work, the rough cut is ready for rendering around noontime the next day. And the iMac is done rendering the morning after that.
That's 24 hours longer.

And this is nothing fancy. Mostly some 45 minutes filmed with 2 to 5 cameras and no fancy stuff. Some color corrections - some audiowork.

Guess why I mostly work at home (aside from the better coffee)...
 
This is what I sent to Tim:

Dear Mr. Cook,

I have a few thoughts on Macs to share with you.

1. There are rumors implying that the Mac Pro line is going to be discontinued. As the user of a 2010 hex-core 3.33 GHz Mac Pro with a 27" Apple Cinema Display for scientific research and teaching, I would like to ask you to retain the Mac Pro line because it is so valuable to us in our work.

2. Is it feasible to produce special editions of Apple products for remembering Mr. Steve Jobs? For example, produce a cube-like Mac Pro that allows us to remember Steve and the NeXT computer.

3. Is it possible to produce computing units that transmit wirelessly graphical data to displays? This way, a computing unit will function like a current wireless router to ordinary users. If this can be realized, then you will see people walking around in their homes or offices with their terminals (displays) while performing (probably heavy-duty) computing.

4. Can the parts of an iMac be moved from the bezel and the back of the display to the stand of the display? This way, a display can be made into an iMac by replacing its stand, and an iMac can be upgraded by replacing its stand.

5. Is it possible to move the ports currently on the back of the 27" Apple Cinema and Thunderbolt Displays to the two sides of the base of the stand. I have found that the ports on the back of the display are really inconvenient to use.

With best regards.

Sincerely yours,

*************
 
3. Is it possible to produce computing units that transmit wirelessly graphical data to displays? This way, a computing unit will function like a current wireless router to ordinary users. If this can be realized, then you will see people walking around in their homes or offices with their terminals (displays) while performing (probably heavy-duty) computing.

This is already possible with an iPad and VNC, but maybe I don't fully understand your request.
 
I imply that it can be used in the same way or better as we use a desktop computer, such an iMac or a Mac Pro.
 
2. Is it feasible to produce special editions of Apple products for remembering Mr. Steve Jobs? For example, produce a cube-like Mac Pro that allows us to remember Steve and the NeXT computer.

Now there’s a terrific idea! I can already imagine a limited edition Aluminium Cube Mac Pro sitting on my desk. Heck, make that two… one for either side. :eek:
 
Has anything similar to this happened before with Apple and has fan response done anything to help? I would love to see them keep the Mac Pro myself.
 
Funny, I've got a G4 Cube on my desk next to my Mac Pro. :p

Excellent combo!

Has anything similar to this happened before with Apple and has fan response done anything to help? I would love to see them keep the Mac Pro myself.

Well, one could say the Mac Mini was brought back from extinction. There were rumours aplenty about it’s demise, followed by extensive threads on this very forum. Not too unlike the outcries we see over the Mac Pro announcement. Hey, it’s worth a shot right?
 
Well, one could say the Mac Mini was brought back from extinction. There were rumours aplenty about it’s demise, followed by extensive threads on this very forum. Not too unlike the outcries we see over the Mac Pro announcement. Hey, it’s worth a shot right?

Oh no kidding, wow! Yeah if it were not for the Mac Mini, I'd still be on my netbook now since it would take me a lot longer to save up for the Air, Pro, or iMac I wanted.
 
My e-mail Message to Mr Cook.

Dear Mr. Cook:

In the past few days I've been reading and hearing these rumors on Apple's decision to pull the cord on the Mac Pro line. I will never forget Steve's quotation of Wayne Gretzky's "I skate to where the puck is going to be" and sure enough the puck is not in the same place it was back when the Mac Pro was introduced. I also remember Steve's historic comeback in 1997 when apple was almost dead. Steve then mentioned that Apple needed to find where it was still relevant and focus on its core assets to invest more on them. I'm convinced that the two relevant markets that Steve mentioned still apply today. Content Creation and Education. Education has clearly shifted route. And while for this market an iOS device or an iMac would suffice for Content Creation is a different story.
I would like to share with you the story of how Apple came to my life. I remember watching the PowerMac G5 introduction back in 2003. That was a "wow" moment for me. And I knew somehow that was going to be the computer I would own. I was 20 years old back then and with the job I had I just wasn't able to afford it. I had a dream nonetheless. That was going to be my computer. Came 2005 I had the opportunity to visit the United States of America (I'm from Guatemala) giving me the chance to visit an Apple Store for the first time ever. I would go to the Apple Store and spend hours and hours just playing with the Power Mac. I still could not afford it so in my head I though: "I would just take a piece of you and come for the whole thing at another time". And so I bought my first iPod. The 30GB fifth generation iPod. It was gorgeous and it made me feel closer to making my dream come true. Later on I heard about the Intel switch and I thought to myself "I'm done" but then this gorgeous 2006 Mac Pro. Same outside, beautiful inside, carefully crafted. I just fell in love once again. Fast forward to 2009 when I got a job in an advertising agency in Guatemala which paid well for the work they requested, I finally was able to afford the Mac Pro and so on December 2009 I came home with a shiny Mac Pro. Ever since that day the bar of what a computer should be has raised for me. I've been working as a freelance web developer, as an in-house software developer, as an iOS developer, freelance and in-house 3D Art Creator, 2D and 3D animation, and trust me in all of these fields there is nothing that would come even close to the Mac Pro. I'd hate to see the Mac Pro killed off because for me more than just another computer it's a valuable work tool that allows me to perform not only faster but also better at what I do. And it's because all of this and more that I would like to ask you Mr. Cook, that if it is in your hands and your reach, to please keep the Mac Pro alive. There is just no way to replace this computer. I as many others I'm sure hope Apple will realize this, and keep the machine alive for the years to come.

With best regards

Roberto Gutierrez Rios
3D Art Creator/Developer and Mac Pro user.
 
Why do we need the Mac Pro?

A maxed out 27" iMac delivers more bang for the buck IMO

The mac pro isn't designed to be cost effective unfortunately. It's mainly the single socket machine that's quite expensive for what you get. As for the imac, it's quite a compromise. The problem is using consumer products for demanding software is always a compromise.


Not even close. It would be very hard for me to get my work done on an iMac. I don't have wads of internal storage on an iMac or the option to put in a Quaddro card. I also don't have all of the connectivity options or room for the amount of RAM I use (I don't believe the current iMacs can support 24 gigs of ram though I could be wrong).

I sent my feedback.

Hey chrono, how do you like that Quadro card? Does it help with lag panning over high polygon models? Also to answer your question OWC says they can support 32GB but they charge over $1100 for it. Apple officially supports 16GB. 8GB dimms aren't very cost effective. If you might have to use them, that alone is a good reason to at least examine/price out a dual socket model.

An iMac under my desk would not be a good sollution. It would require too much space and my cats would constantly knock it over.

Cats are awesome :D

4 cores vs 12 cores
16 GBs of RAM vs 64
2.25 TB internal HDD vs 8
1 GPU vs 2 GPUs (each capable of driving 2 big monitors)
1 SuperDrive vs 2
1 ethernet ports vs 2 (one incoming for internet, one out to printer)

Pricier? Oh yeah.... but for some people this is just a business expense - a tool to get work done.

Apparently you can get 32GB to work on an imac. The mac pro is definitely less restrictive on gpu options. In case you're wondering I'm in favor of the mac pro. I wanted to buy an updated six core, stupid intel :mad:.
 
Why do we need the Mac Pro?

A maxed out 27" iMac delivers more bang for the buck IMO

The Mac Pro was never designed as a best bang for the buck, it was designed for the Professional. The iMac is more for the consumer, prosumer market.
 
Since when did Apple tell anyone they are abandoning it? If I were to cry to Apple over something that they never even said I would feel pretty damn stupid.

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Dear Mr. Cook:

In the past few days I've been reading and hearing these rumors on Apple's decision to pull the cord on the Mac Pro line. I will never forget Steve's quotation of Wayne Gretzky's "I skate to where the puck is going to be" and sure enough the puck is not in the same place it was back when the Mac Pro was introduced. I also remember Steve's historic comeback in 1997 when apple was almost dead. Steve then mentioned that Apple needed to find where it was still relevant and focus on its core assets to invest more on them. I'm convinced that the two relevant markets that Steve mentioned still apply today. Content Creation and Education. Education has clearly shifted route. And while for this market an iOS device or an iMac would suffice for Content Creation is a different story.
I would like to share with you the story of how Apple came to my life. I remember watching the PowerMac G5 introduction back in 2003. That was a "wow" moment for me. And I knew somehow that was going to be the computer I would own. I was 20 years old back then and with the job I had I just wasn't able to afford it. I had a dream nonetheless. That was going to be my computer. Came 2005 I had the opportunity to visit the United States of America (I'm from Guatemala) giving me the chance to visit an Apple Store for the first time ever. I would go to the Apple Store and spend hours and hours just playing with the Power Mac. I still could not afford it so in my head I though: "I would just take a piece of you and come for the whole thing at another time". And so I bought my first iPod. The 30GB fifth generation iPod. It was gorgeous and it made me feel closer to making my dream come true. Later on I heard about the Intel switch and I thought to myself "I'm done" but then this gorgeous 2006 Mac Pro. Same outside, beautiful inside, carefully crafted. I just fell in love once again. Fast forward to 2009 when I got a job in an advertising agency in Guatemala which paid well for the work they requested, I finally was able to afford the Mac Pro and so on December 2009 I came home with a shiny Mac Pro. Ever since that day the bar of what a computer should be has raised for me. I've been working as a freelance web developer, as an in-house software developer, as an iOS developer, freelance and in-house 3D Art Creator, 2D and 3D animation, and trust me in all of these fields there is nothing that would come even close to the Mac Pro. I'd hate to see the Mac Pro killed off because for me more than just another computer it's a valuable work tool that allows me to perform not only faster but also better at what I do. And it's because all of this and more that I would like to ask you Mr. Cook, that if it is in your hands and your reach, to please keep the Mac Pro alive. There is just no way to replace this computer. I as many others I'm sure hope Apple will realize this, and keep the machine alive for the years to come.

With best regards

Roberto Gutierrez Rios
3D Art Creator/Developer and Mac Pro user.

You should use paragraphs. They will never read that.

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This is what I sent to Tim:

Dear Mr. Cook,

I have a few thoughts on Macs to share with you.

1. There are rumors implying that the Mac Pro line is going to be discontinued. As the user of a 2010 hex-core 3.33 GHz Mac Pro with a 27" Apple Cinema Display for scientific research and teaching, I would like to ask you to retain the Mac Pro line because it is so valuable to us in our work.

2. Is it feasible to produce special editions of Apple products for remembering Mr. Steve Jobs? For example, produce a cube-like Mac Pro that allows us to remember Steve and the NeXT computer.

3. Is it possible to produce computing units that transmit wirelessly graphical data to displays? This way, a computing unit will function like a current wireless router to ordinary users. If this can be realized, then you will see people walking around in their homes or offices with their terminals (displays) while performing (probably heavy-duty) computing.

4. Can the parts of an iMac be moved from the bezel and the back of the display to the stand of the display? This way, a display can be made into an iMac by replacing its stand, and an iMac can be upgraded by replacing its stand.

5. Is it possible to move the ports currently on the back of the 27" Apple Cinema and Thunderbolt Displays to the two sides of the base of the stand. I have found that the ports on the back of the display are really inconvenient to use.

With best regards.

Sincerely yours,

*************

#5 idea would be fugly as hell lol. The whole reason Apple didn't use usb ports on their iPad iPod iPhone is because they were so damn ugly. That is the reason they hide all the crap behind the computer. The world is going wireless these days anyway.

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wow are people serious... we've had far too many threads on how the mac pro is dying etc, at this point in time its safe so can people stop making threads every other day. all these stories are just rumors

Yep. I find it is mainly the people who just love to complain in their life. The pessimists not the optimists.
 
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