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Ireland, Britain, Australia, New Zealand...

Granted their accents are bad :)P), but they all speak english as their first language.

Try going to a country that doesn't speak english as a first language. Or even where the predominate race isn't caucasian.

You'll find a lot about yourself if you're in a different culture for half a year or more.

You'll find a lot more about yourself if you're in a different and strange culture for the same amount of time.

Try somewhere in Asia. Somewhere in South America.

You will definitely have a chance to travel Europe in your lifetime. Everyone with the means eventually travels to at least parts of Europe.

But not as many people, at least in North America, go travel Asia. There are reasons for that, obviously...safety, ease of traveling, comfort in being around more normal cultures... but as long as you're willing to go somewhere for a year, go somewhere completely different and find out if you can deal with it.

But as mentioned, he has a limited choice, and he wants to work. In some countries, it's simply not possible, or extremely difficult, to find a job unless you know the local language. For example, France will have none of that English crap.
 
I went to Australia (based in Sydney) on a year's work visa. The application was straightforward and I had the right to work for the year. But that was 20 years ago so I can't say what the situation is now (and it may have been a special UK agreement). Whatever you do it'll form part of the backdrop of your future life, so have fun.
 
I went to Australia (based in Sydney) on a year's work visa. The application was straightforward and I had the right to work for the year. But that was 20 years ago so I can't say what the situation is now (and it may have been a special UK agreement). Whatever you do it'll form part of the backdrop of your future life, so have fun.

Being from Canada we have a similar arrangement with the Aussies. It's easy as pie to get a one year work visa for Australia, same bit for New Zealand. The SWAP site says it's easy for the other places they list too but I know Canadians are kind of on the priority list if you will for Australian work visas probably in the same way you guys are.
 
The full list is:

Europe
Britain
Ireland
France
Germany
Austria

Africa
South Africa

Asia
Japan

South Pacific
Australia
New Zealand

I don't think you have too much to worry about as far as language goes in any of those countries. English should be pretty good in most situations. Don't let that hold you back from picking a more interesting place!
 
Most importantly, your Mac will work whereever you decide to go, haha. It will handle the voltage switch from 110v to 230v automatically, you just need to pick up an adaptor for the socket/outlets.

So, from an Irish point of view...
Dublin is an expensive place to live, no doubt about it. Working student type jobs and renting a room could be difficult.. probably not bad to stay afloat there, but I wouldn't count on saving lots of money. I think minimum wage is around €8 an hour... and you could be looking at between €300-400/month to rent a room in a house a bit outside the city... I think that'd be roughly correct. Cost of living is also higher in Dublin than the rest of the country.
The economy is also experiencing a downturn at the moment so it might be trickier to get service / pub or restaurant work, as the market was flooded with eastern european workers in the last few years... but to be honest, I wouldn't say it woukd mean you won't find a job, just something to be aware of! It could work in your favour too though, you might be able to pick up cheaper accommodation somewhere due to the fall in demand.
Do you need to get a working visa? Dunno if that's covered in your SWAP programme.
Dublin is a nice compact city with a lot going on, but some love it and others hate it. I don't find it that comfortable a city to walk around, as everything is totally hectic, that might be your thing!

The west of Ireland is a nice alternative to Dublin and is a 'truer' Irish experience that hasn't been so spoiled so much in recent years. Galway is a pleasant city with a bit of culture, lots of students and good access to some of the best parts of Ireland from a scenic point of view. The Aran islands off the west coast are well worth a trip.

In general, you could do worse! I personally don't think you'll experience any problems being a Canadian, and there isn't much of an anti-Britain attitude there anymore (at least that has any malicious value!) apart from the typical pub talk maybe!

Generally if you're going to live abroad, it can be easy to associate with other people from your home country, but then I feel that you lose out on taking in more of the detail of life in a new country if you were to go around with a group of Canadians or Americans all the time. Of course, the company you're with makes the experience most of the time, so it can be a balancing act between what you want to get out of it.

Regardless of where you go, a bit of time outside your own country is well worth doing. I'm Irish, but I live in Germany :)
 
any take on employment and housing in London?

Since I have lived in London, am Canadian, had also looked at SWAP 6-7 years ago, I have some ideas. ;)

Jobs for a person your age? You'll get paid between £4.5 to £7 per hour, although you'll likely earn between £4.50 to £5.50. If you get a job at a bar, rent will likely be free/included, but you'll get paid very little, and will likely have a curfew of like 10-11 PM or so. That curfew applies even on your days off. I don't know why, but I guess you may face such rules if you were renting a room in a family home.

If I were you, I'd try signing up with an employment/temping agency of some sort. I signed up with a temping agency aimed at the medical field (Fairstaff Agency) because the jobs they were able to get paid quite well. I earned around £7.5 per hour, which is far more than my English friends earned per hour. :) I also worked at a bookstore (Books Etc) in the stockroom, unpacking books from boxes. I earned £6.5 ph, which was also quite phenomenal. Sales staff at the bookstore earned around £4.80 - £5.80, but salary was based on experience and how long the person had worked at the store, which is understandable. If you can earn £5.50 ph living in London, consider yourself lucky. ;) Office temping jobs pay better than retail or bar work, so if you want to save up some money for travelling, office temp work is better (even if it's less fun).

Rent in London? That will depend on where you live. For a place that isn't so fantastic, in an average area, you're probably looking at paying £75-80 per week. Anything better than that will start at around £90-95 pw, and anything in a dodgy neighbourhood will only be slightly cheaper (say £70 pw). I was lucky with regards to my rent (average), location (you wouldn't believe it if I showed you photos), and my flatmates. I'm sure I wouldn't be so lucky again, but I think you're better off paying around £90-100 pw, because I saw what was available for £70 pw, and the difference was stark.

I wouldn't try working in a non-English speaking country if you can't speak the language. Its one thing to be a tourist and speak English, as local people are more willing to put up with tourists if they know they'll never see you again once you leave. :p However, if you're staying somewhere for a while, and you expect other people to speak English to you, don't expect a warm welcome everywhere. It's rude on your part for expecting the world to conform to you, and I can understand why people wouldn't want to hire you. How would you work in retail, or an office doing temp work? You limit your choices, and if it takes you longer to find a job, you'll be without a paycheque for a longer period of time. If you get a job that pays you every 2 weeks, and they hold your first week's pay, you'll be scraping by for the first 4-6 weeks.

From the list of SWAP countries, which I looked into 6-7 years ago (it hasn't really changed other than the addition of China), I think Japan isn't really an option for you. France? Forget it....unless your French is great. French people love the "Canadian French" accent because lots of famous comedians in France are Canadian, and have funny accents. Germany? Not sure. Many Germans can speak English, but that doesn't mean you should go over and expect them to do so welcomely. ;)

That leaves Britain, Ireland, South Africa, Australia, or NZ. I haven't been to South Africa, but I've met many South Africans (in London) who all said they wouldn't move back there. If it wasn't safe for my S.A. friends, I wouldn't recommend it to you, either. Their stories were sometimes frightening. Funny enough, all the South Africans I met, even in Australia, are now in London.

Australia is nice, but you certainly wouldn't be coming here for the culture. It's not as different as Britain or Ireland is, but your choice depends on what you want to get out of the trip. However, people travel to Australia for the nature, not the culture. Things aren't interesting here in terms of culture. It's only interesting in terms of what you see. Parts of it are similar to Canada, while other parts are like a desert. Living in Australia hasn't been such a huge transition for me, and other than a lot of beaches (which are only great between Nov - March), being in Sydney is similar to being in Toronto (I don't live in Sydney though). New Zealand would be wonderful. Fantastic place, but I think I'd rather just visit the place rather than live there.


The funniest thing about SWAP is that I don't really know if they would help you. I found jobs myself, and I found a place to live by myself. I got my work visa by myself, so other than your 1st night's accommodation, what they do for you?
 
The funniest thing about SWAP is that I don't really know if they would help you. I found jobs myself, and I found a place to live by myself. I got my work visa by myself, so other than your 1st night's accommodation, what they do for you?

They get your visa, give you a place to stay for the first night or two. They also have offices set up in each of the countries with job and housing offerings stuff like that. They don't set you up with anything outside the visa and initial hostel or B&B stay but they provide the resources to get you rolling when you get there if you want them.
 
Well........having lived in Germany, France, Italy, London, Spain, Turkey, & Amsterdam over the last decade or so, I will offer you the following tips, REGARDLESS of where you end up going:

A) STUDY learn study learn study.....as much as you can about the cultural and social differences BEFORE you step 1 foot outside of the USA :p

B) DO NOT, under any circumstances, go abroad and act like the average crackhead-loudmouth-disrespectful-punk-a*s-biotch baggy-pants-know-it-all-don't-give-a-crap-about-anyone-else teenager that the world always sees on TV & in the movies..... Yea, they think it is cute on film, but NOT in real life!!!

C) Most everyone I met in my travels were nice folks, and the best way to get to know them is to show them that your main purpose in being there is to learn about them, their way of life, & their language. IF they see that you are genuinely trying, they will be much more accepting of you & willing to help you out.....

D) DO NOT BE AFRAID.....to experience the food ! FEAR is your own worst enemy!!!!!! The rest of the world has a HUGE menu of excruciatingly wonderful foods....

If you wimp out when offered any unique/unusual (by american standards) and especially culturally-significant foods, they will see right through you and you will lose ALL hope of ever gaining anyone's confidence in you. Same goes for beverages & desserts :p

Unless you have LOTS of money, stay away from the big fancy restaurants.....the little mom & pop shops, side street cafe's/pubs/taverns etc will offer the best classic, regional and local dishes!

E) When in public places where lots of people can listen or overhear your conversations, DO NOT, under any circumstances, engage anyone in discussions of religion or politics. Doing so can have serious consequences (like your sudden death). Save those topics for more controlled/private surroundings with smaller groups of people who you have gotten to know a little....

F) Most importantly, always remember that even though they may live on another continent, talk, dress and act a bit differently than we do, they are still human beings, with the same challenges, hopes and goals as we americans have.....
 
E) Most importantly, always remember that even though they may live on another continent, talk, dress and sound different than we do, they are still human beings, with the same challenges, hopes and dreams as we americans have.....

I can't decide if you are being ironic or not...
 
Well........having lived in Germany, France, Italy, London, Spain, Turkey, & Amsterdam over the last decade or so, I will offer you the following tips, REGARDLESS of where you end up going:

A) STUDY learn study learn study.....as much as you can about the cultural and social differences BEFORE you step 1 foot outside of the USA :p

I did have that on my list of things to do when I finally pick a place. I am a firm believer in going into any battle with plenty of intel lol

B) DO NOT, under any circumstances, go abroad and act like the average crackhead-loudmouth-disrespectful-punk-a*s-biotch baggy-pants-know-it-all-don't-give-a-crap-about-anyone-else teenager that the world always sees on TV & in the movies..... Yea, they think it is cute on film, but NOT in real life!!!

I am actually probably one of the most polite, conscious and just all around generally aware of how my actions are affect the people and whatever else around me. I've traveled to France & Italy before on a highschool trip and was constantly trying to keep everyone in line as I was the oldest student on the trip by a year or two in some cases.

C) Most everyone I met in my travels were nice folks, and the best way to get to know them is to show them that your main purpose in being there is to learn about them, their way of life, & their language. IF they see that you are genuinely trying, they will be much more accepting of you & willing to help you out.....

This is another area of strength for me Im good at assimilating lol

D) DO NOT BE AFRAID.....to experience the food ! FEAR is your own worst enemy!!!!!! The rest of the world has a HUGE menu of excruciatingly wonderful foods....

If you wimp out when offered any unique/unusual (by american standards) and especially culturally-significant foods, they will see right through you and you will lose ALL hope of ever gaining anyone's confidence in you. Same goes for beverages & desserts :p

Unless you have LOTS of money, stay away from the big fancy restaurants.....the little mom & pop shops, side street cafe's/pubs/taverns etc will offer the best classic, regional and local dishes!


I love food, food is probably one of my favorite things in the world. I will eat and try pretty much anything.

E) When in public places where lots of people can listen or overhear your conversations, DO NOT, under any circumstances, engage anyone in discussions of religion or politics. Doing so can have serious consequences (like your sudden death). Save those topics for more controlled/private surroundings with smaller groups of people who you have gotten to know a little....

This sounds like good advice. I've heard it before and will definately keep it in mind.

F) Most importantly, always remember that even though they may live on another continent, talk, dress and act a bit differently than we do, they are still human beings, with the same challenges, hopes and goals as we americans have.....

I'm not american but I will keep that in mind =)

Thanks for the post!
 
One thing I forgot to mention is that I have also considered doing New Zealand or Australia now because it's going to be a hell of lot cheaper just because of the exchange rate. Go there for 6-12 months work, travel have fun do whatever. When I get back Im going to school for four years to get my Bachelor of Business with a major in accounting and following that I have considered putting some money aside every month through out my degree and when I graduate go to Europe for a month or two and back pack it around with the money I have and not so much worry about working. I'm kind of thinking that would be a decent way to do it.
 
They get your visa, give you a place to stay for the first night or two. They also have offices set up in each of the countries with job and housing offerings stuff like that. They don't set you up with anything outside the visa and initial hostel or B&B stay but they provide the resources to get you rolling when you get there if you want them.

Yeah, but according to some people I met who went through SWAP and BUNAC(?), it was just a bunch of job postings on their wall, along with housing postings. Most people who advertise jobs won't do it through BUNAC (since it's not well known....much like SWAP in Canada), while real job agencies get the majority of job adverts out there. Honestly, you're better off looking at free local papers/magazines for housing and jobs, job/temping agencies, and the like. You'll also save yourself hundreds of Canadian $$$.

Again, other than the 1st night's stay free, what do they give you? Not much at all. Go there, get a SIM card for your "cell" phone, find job postings, and phone them.
 
Im really starting to think I'll just do it myself. I think you guys have me convinced. Screw swap. This also means I can book my flight wherever I want instead through their little booking thing.

I wish it didnt cost just over $1000 to fly to Australia or New Zealand. But I guess they're both about as far as I can go without coming back the other way.
 
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