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Warning: iOS 16.1 Beta Breaking GPS on iPhone 14 Pro Models
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I don’t think basic functionality should be part of the beta though. That’s like starting from square 1. And if you know basic functionality like gps location doesn’t even work, why would you release it?
Yeah from what I am reading it is a troll fest of folks justifying their non apple phones being better LOL
Because there are other areas of the os that need developer scrutiny. I’d hazard a guess that there are vastly more developers writing apps that have zero interaction with GPS than those that do. And those developers need access to the beta to make sure their apps still function correctly and either make changes or file bugs so Apple can fix errors before the beta moves to GM.
That is the only purpose of the beta: to ensure that the GM release goes as smoothly as possible, and that only happens when bugs are found.
If you are running a developer beta for any reason other than to find bugs (in Apple’s software, or in your own) then you’re running it for the wrong reasons.
And with the brand new (to Apple) GPS technology in the iPhone 14, GPS bugs in early betas should be expected.
Yeah. I was noticing this yesterday in my car. I also have an issue myself where I swipe right to the App Library and all the icons overlap with the other pages too.
Yes it’s a beta and I completely understand it. I understood what I was getting in with the beta. As long as it didn’t brick my phone I’m fine. Lol.
For those saying “it’s just a beta”
Severe bugs affecting the “release” non beta on the iPhone 14 pro.
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Severe bugs affecting the “release” non beta on the iPhone 14 pro.
Apple Investigating iPhone 14 Pro Models Freezing After Data Transfers
Apple is investigating a bug that may cause iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max models to freeze after customers transfer their data from an older...
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For those saying “it’s just a beta”
Severe bugs affecting the “release” non beta on the iPhone 14 pro.
Apple Investigating iPhone 14 Pro Models Freezing After Data Transfers
Apple is investigating a bug that may cause iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max models to freeze after customers transfer their data from an older...
And that’s relevant to this bug because…?
Yup. Once I saw the title of the thread, I knew about 85% of comments would be Apple hate. It's just the nature of MR now. I figure if all one can say is hateful things, they are very unlikely to make any meaningful contribution I found that taking full use of the ignore list will help. About 50 added so far. So many to go. If I'm kicked off for my comments, it wouldn't bother me. I'm find with just reading the articles (which overall are quite good) is really enough. I'm getting tired of sifting through tons of hate just to get that one tiny little morsel of useful information.
Stop defending Apple. When this is rhe case they have put the bugs in the beta release notes so devs are aware of it and to not report these issues. If Apple released it without such notes then they were not aware of it which speaks volumens pf their QA division
Apple engineers, programmers and internal testers still WFH... quality sucks. 🤣🤣😭
I'm the CTO of a large org who wants his developers to be productive and has to plan for supporting 16.1 and not being able to get our release cohort of external testers on 16.1 to get GPS features, well, is understood as a risk in the process, but is worthy of discussion. We don't release until 90% of external cohorts on our supported platforms are passing tests, and seeing a huge red on an entire suite of tests for 16.1 it's a REALLY useful thing to know that this is an AAPL issue and not something in my org's code issue. And, no, I don't read every release note of our own software let alone everything in my stack. I wish I had that kind of time, but I don't, and anyone with any level of scale/management has the 24 hours in a day issue, so it was really nice to get this warning and discussion so I (and others in my boat) know what the red is.
And that's my point: the "it's a beta, shutup" crowd is actually the "pretend" professionals who don't fully understand the nuance of how software at scale is built, written, and released.
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Forbes called 16 a dumpster fire. I probably wouldn’t go that far but it‘s a reasonable point of view.
Yep. An old partner used to say, “I don’t dignify the preposterous.”
Yep. An old partner used to say, “I don’t dignify the preposterous.”
The quality of apps you download (and/or the speed with which we can support new features at or near release) is *directly* correlated (and causatively linked) with the quality of betas we get.
I'm not complaining about Apple's beta quality because it *IS* pre-release software, but this "don't upgrade" and "oh, whiny people complaining about betas" simply don't understand that betas exist for a reason beyond a "sneak peek" for people at new shininess.
I would rather see Apple release software early rather than perfect for devs, but the lack of updating Release Notes (this was not in them and still is not) leads to this: an ad-hoc discussion/news for stuff that does and does not work.
I agree to an extent. I just don't think they've hired morons, I think they've hired very smart people who know how to do the bare minimum and still get bonuses and great stock performance because they work at an enormous company with no actual real, meaningful competition in the market place and a walled garden hold on the market they own.
Not a good story if you truly believe in free markets, capitalism, and market forces because we've gone to the other side of the spectrum from overly regulated, planned economies to, well, stifling innovation before it can even get started.
Not a place for the tangent. I guess.
But the course of capitalism is to stave off competition and choke itself to death. The only way to actually have a healthy and functioning free market is to have robust and well enforced regulations to keep it from doing so. Adam Smith explained this all in The Wealth of Nations published in 1776… Considered the Bible of Capitalism.
Was that the same rule that applied to old Star Trek movies?
Agree 100%. In the US enough of my country people have been convinced (largely by oligarchs themselves) that somehow government is always bad, and "free markets" (unregulated capitalism) is the only solution that we're basically giving our government away to private industry as its enablement arm.
We don't really do balance or middle ground here anymore.
I really do miss the days of iPhone OS 2.x. You couldn’t do much on it, but I don’t recall contemplating “oh, i really miss this feature” at any time. Well, with the exception of recording video. Still, the entire OS package was like 220mb and everything worked like a charm.
No issues on 16.1 on my 14 Pro. I wonder what parameters cause it for some and not for others?
Also LOL at people not realising this is exactly what BETAs are FOR.
Also LOL at people not realising this is exactly what BETAs are FOR.
People need to ask themselves if they truly understand the entire point of a company releasing beta software… You literally have to AGREE that you know there’s a chance that things could be broken and are told NOT to install it on a device needed for daily use.
They expect there to be issues and count on the beta testers to encounter the bugs they didn’t know about & help identify what caused them by submitting coherent bug reports.
If the initial and dominating response is to complain about software quality then you are missing the point.
I agree, however, my (and I think most others) reminder “it’s a beta” is a response to comments such as:
I have no doubt Apple has some lazy or burned out employees in which the fault is on those individuals. However, from what I’ve seen, even beyond this industry, the problem is top-down: get there first and worry about quality later. The “space race” mentality, if you will.
Just one semi-recent example:
Why Halo Infinite's Campaign Co-Op Mode May Miss Its August Release Window
Halo Infinite's campaign co-op mode is currently slated for an August release date, but 343's track record does not bode well for a timely release.
The irony is, overall, Apple has primarily been the opposite, find a different/creative approach to an already established product/service. Yet, Apple has been doing the same, “Look at this amazing feature” in keynotes only to delay or even scrap features months later.
Basically, it’s a disgusting, anti-consumer trend almost every company feels err is getting away with.
P.S. I miss the days of optical media, when companies were forced to have full, high quality products on release.