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I had a virus on OS X... it was a nasty cold for almost a week. i sneezed a lot, and my nose was stuffy. it was pretty darned malicious
So you too depend on Windows
It is a little ironic that a web-site called MacRumors.com relies so heavily on Windows for its web-site. Out of all the Mac sites this one was the only one that went down. Just imagine, if it was on the non-Microsoft Net they would not have been forced offline because of a little worm.
It is a little ironic that a web-site called MacRumors.com relies so heavily on Windows for its web-site. Out of all the Mac sites this one was the only one that went down. Just imagine, if it was on the non-Microsoft Net they would not have been forced offline because of a little worm.
Re: Why do people think MSSQL is any good, anyway?
Microsoft SQL Server is the best solution for MY problem. I refuse to touch MySQL. It's a great SQL Server tailored VERY specifically for web stuff. I'm talking enterprise level. This is where MySQL doesn't even touch. Rollbacks, transactions, clustering, ANSI SQL [yes, MS-SQL is compliant, MySQL has some weird hacks to SQL for Web optimizations], stored procedures [soon to be done in your favorite <language>.NET, making it far more powerful], excellent tools, Enteprise Manager [can't live without that], and so on. You realize Microsoft-IIS powers pretty much half of SSL-encrypted sites, which are used mostly for e-commerce. Most likely using Microsoft SQL in junction of IIS.
Not to be a troll. Use tools that best fits your needs. If MySQL fits your needs fine, doesn't crash, doesn't get hacked, doesn't get too slow, etc. you're fine.
But on the other side, Enterprise level. I can't accept anything lower than Oracle or Microsoft SQL Server for what I do.
People think Microsoft SQL Server is good because it IS good.
I guess you never bothered to read my post. tpc.org [tpc.org] has tons of information on various DB servers and their performance, price per performance ration, etc. You will see that Microsoft SQL Server has the best bang for the back.
Microsoft SQL Server is the best solution for MY problem. I refuse to touch MySQL. It's a great SQL Server tailored VERY specifically for web stuff. I'm talking enterprise level. This is where MySQL doesn't even touch. Rollbacks, transactions, clustering, ANSI SQL [yes, MS-SQL is compliant, MySQL has some weird hacks to SQL for Web optimizations], stored procedures [soon to be done in your favorite <language>.NET, making it far more powerful], excellent tools, Enteprise Manager [can't live without that], and so on. You realize Microsoft-IIS powers pretty much half of SSL-encrypted sites, which are used mostly for e-commerce. Most likely using Microsoft SQL in junction of IIS.
Not to be a troll. Use tools that best fits your needs. If MySQL fits your needs fine, doesn't crash, doesn't get hacked, doesn't get too slow, etc. you're fine.
But on the other side, Enterprise level. I can't accept anything lower than Oracle or Microsoft SQL Server for what I do.
People think Microsoft SQL Server is good because it IS good.
arn if you wany i'm sure i can dig up some xserves or something...
sucked for everyone, this worm. every single one of my favorite websites were down.
No e-mail!!!
Okay, so i don't care if you diss south korea for fun or for real...it's just that one of my grandparents were from there and that country is sometimes great (but i highly dislike the actual number of Wintel users in that country)...
sucked for everyone, this worm. every single one of my favorite websites were down.
No e-mail!!!
Okay, so i don't care if you diss south korea for fun or for real...it's just that one of my grandparents were from there and that country is sometimes great (but i highly dislike the actual number of Wintel users in that country)...
i think there are a few contributing factors that cause people to think ill of korea (too often generalised like this)
for ekample, north korea was dubbed part of the axis of evil. making and selling weapons and what not. i don't see the US doing anything about it really, it's not like they have anything america wants.
in the south there is a growing distaste for the strong US military presence, fuelled by incident after incident, most notably one jeep, two marines and two dead girls. this dislike is beginning to sound like hate, especially as violence is perpetrated against military personell by south koreans.
this leads into a rather childish attitude, led by media, 'you hate me? well i hate you back' there is of course contradictions left right and center in the polical antics of both countries, but they are politicians, what do you expect.
all in all, korea, in general is attracting a bad label, when really it is a fantastic country of a vast culture. with very cool electronics years ahead of the US, in use as everyday tools.
for ekample, north korea was dubbed part of the axis of evil. making and selling weapons and what not. i don't see the US doing anything about it really, it's not like they have anything america wants.
in the south there is a growing distaste for the strong US military presence, fuelled by incident after incident, most notably one jeep, two marines and two dead girls. this dislike is beginning to sound like hate, especially as violence is perpetrated against military personell by south koreans.
this leads into a rather childish attitude, led by media, 'you hate me? well i hate you back' there is of course contradictions left right and center in the polical antics of both countries, but they are politicians, what do you expect.
all in all, korea, in general is attracting a bad label, when really it is a fantastic country of a vast culture. with very cool electronics years ahead of the US, in use as everyday tools.
Microsoft.com, Zdnet.com, and looprumors.com were some of my regulars that were unaffected.
While Microsoft.com was not affected, hotmail.com was unavailable for some time.
I have a feeling this is an internal attack, probably MS competitors, and I hope when they are found they are imprisoned.
Re: Re: Why do people think MSSQL is any good, anyway?
Comparing MySQL to MS SQL Server is like comparing MS SQL Server to Oracle, it just doesn't work.
Transact SQL is a piece of ****e. PL/SQL is significantly easier and more logically laid out. Replication/Rollback/... is flawless in Oracle. SQL Server still leaves lots to be desired.
That being said .Net has excellent SQL integration for stepping through stored procs which can be a godsend when your debugging someone elses horrible code. And having worked with both Oracle since version 7.x and MS SQL from 6.5 the gap is closing.
Unfortunately I work in a MS only shop (I've been sneeking linux in slowly [3 projects at this point]) and have almost got my boss ready to buy a G4 Tower or iMac for his DVD creation machine.
For my personal company I run all Linux on the server side (saves ton's on licenses and Oracle isn't in Release Candidate stage like it is for OS X [cant wait]) and on the client I run Windows 2000/XP and OS X. Linux has a hell of a long way to go before it's a desktop machine (for any use other than hackers/programmers or servers).
Comparing MySQL to MS SQL Server is like comparing MS SQL Server to Oracle, it just doesn't work.
Transact SQL is a piece of ****e. PL/SQL is significantly easier and more logically laid out. Replication/Rollback/... is flawless in Oracle. SQL Server still leaves lots to be desired.
That being said .Net has excellent SQL integration for stepping through stored procs which can be a godsend when your debugging someone elses horrible code. And having worked with both Oracle since version 7.x and MS SQL from 6.5 the gap is closing.
Unfortunately I work in a MS only shop (I've been sneeking linux in slowly [3 projects at this point]) and have almost got my boss ready to buy a G4 Tower or iMac for his DVD creation machine.
For my personal company I run all Linux on the server side (saves ton's on licenses and Oracle isn't in Release Candidate stage like it is for OS X [cant wait]) and on the client I run Windows 2000/XP and OS X. Linux has a hell of a long way to go before it's a desktop machine (for any use other than hackers/programmers or servers).
This thread has been hijacked by paranoid fears. So far the suspects are: Saddam (who else?), Usama bin Laden, North Korea and of course, Microsoft's competitors. My interpretation of all this: we are all affected by war.
Anyway, I hope even more IT people get the hint that MS solutions are not safe, especially when they are singled out by these worms on the Net.
Anyway, I hope even more IT people get the hint that MS solutions are not safe, especially when they are singled out by these worms on the Net.
It was a North Korean practice run! Next time the entire Internet is going down and the Axis of Evil will invade South Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan all at once!!!!!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE MUST PREVENT THEM FROM GETTING THE VIRUS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE MUST PREVENT THEM FROM GETTING THE VIRUS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
god i swear, some of you people can't read. how many times does arn have to post the fact that this site runs on a linux box, in a hosting facility, and that all of their computers were offline? quit making stupid little jokes and inferences. the *entire* internet was affected, not just MS servers, because the damn worm tied up EVERYTHING to reproduce itself, resulting in a worldwide DOS. not all sites were completely down, but everything faced slowdown, and a lot was crippled. I understand that Japan was awful, the whole country could barely log on.
now, as for viruses. i've only had one virus on a mac, and i installed it myself, to test my virus scanner. this was system 6 or 7, years and years ago...
ahh, the good ol' days of 6. Font/DA Mover. i hated that app with a passion...
pnw
now, as for viruses. i've only had one virus on a mac, and i installed it myself, to test my virus scanner. this was system 6 or 7, years and years ago...
ahh, the good ol' days of 6. Font/DA Mover. i hated that app with a passion...
pnw
Re: Re: Re: Why do people think MSSQL is any good, anyway?
You know about Yukon? Stored procedures will be able to be programmed in <language>.NET. That'd be awesome and less bugs in stored procedures. I can't live without the try {} catch {} finally {} sequence.
Yes, I agree about Linux on desktop. No way in hell it's going to be on the desktop in the immediate future. That's the problem with UNIX/Linux: no gosh darned standards for UI, libraries, etc. Sure it's nice having choice, but that's way over the heads of the average Joe, and Linux worshippers must realize that if they want to succeed in the desktop world, they must do what Microsoft and Apple are innovating in the desktop market.
An interesting read [aberdeen.com] is about how Windows no longer has the most security advisories, according to their sources.
Apache worms do exist. Oh no! This means UNIX is insecure!
Even more!
You just hear more about Windows because "that's Microsoft" or "that's Windows" and it creates FUD to the average Windows user because they use Windows.
Golden rule: nothing is ever as secure as it can be.
Exactly my reasoning why I refuse to touch MySQL.
Eh, this is subjective. I recently did some stress testing with replication, rollback, etc. on my Microsoft SQL Server and did it flawlessly. YMMV, I guess.
Yep. .NET rocks. Enough said. Microsoft has done a great job penetrating into the enterprise line. Oracle and Microsoft SQL Server are both excellent servers. Props to Microsoft for creating a native .NET SQL class for Oracle as they always have had.
You know about Yukon? Stored procedures will be able to be programmed in <language>.NET. That'd be awesome and less bugs in stored procedures. I can't live without the try {} catch {} finally {} sequence.
Great! Glad to hear you're doing what is suitable for your needs.
Yes, I agree about Linux on desktop. No way in hell it's going to be on the desktop in the immediate future. That's the problem with UNIX/Linux: no gosh darned standards for UI, libraries, etc. Sure it's nice having choice, but that's way over the heads of the average Joe, and Linux worshippers must realize that if they want to succeed in the desktop world, they must do what Microsoft and Apple are innovating in the desktop market.
Couldn't agree more. As I said before, it is very similar to Code Red. And yes, they should be imprisioned! I mean, gosh darn, I couldn't connect to many sites--even to the Apple Store... I was going to configure my 17" PowerBook!
As noted before, the patch has been available months before the attacks, just like Code Red.
An interesting read [aberdeen.com] is about how Windows no longer has the most security advisories, according to their sources.
Apache worms do exist. Oh no! This means UNIX is insecure!
Even more!
You just hear more about Windows because "that's Microsoft" or "that's Windows" and it creates FUD to the average Windows user because they use Windows.
Golden rule: nothing is ever as secure as it can be.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Why do people think MSSQL is any good, anyway?
nothing is ever as anything as it can be!
nothing is ever as anything as it can be!
Boooooo CNN,,,,
I saw this whole VIRUS thing on CNN...And what I found interesting was that while the story was being read, in the background, an image of an blue iMac was part of the news "graphics"....I mean, the newscaster said it attacked servers running Microsoft SQL Servers...So I don't see why a iMac was used for that graphic....??????....A$$ES!
I saw this whole VIRUS thing on CNN...And what I found interesting was that while the story was being read, in the background, an image of an blue iMac was part of the news "graphics"....I mean, the newscaster said it attacked servers running Microsoft SQL Servers...So I don't see why a iMac was used for that graphic....??????....A$$ES!
Why, Why, Why?
Why is it that everytime something bad happens, Americans always have to assume it was someone from a foriegn country. It could have just as easily been some Arian Nation a$$hole in Montana planning world destruction 'cause his daddy taught him dissis da whiteman's world.
And yeah, I'm American but I don't think that way. We can be just as messed up as any country out there. I love my country, but America is NOT perfect! Hell, we let GW become President, that can't say too much for us.
In addition, WE as Mac users are supposed to be more intelligent (by association) than the Windoze masses, so let's try to be more conscious of our posts. Let's try to keep racism out of this forum shall we? This is a great place for Mac users to gather and talk about the platform we love; let's keep it that way.
Why is it that everytime something bad happens, Americans always have to assume it was someone from a foriegn country. It could have just as easily been some Arian Nation a$$hole in Montana planning world destruction 'cause his daddy taught him dissis da whiteman's world.
And yeah, I'm American but I don't think that way. We can be just as messed up as any country out there. I love my country, but America is NOT perfect! Hell, we let GW become President, that can't say too much for us.
In addition, WE as Mac users are supposed to be more intelligent (by association) than the Windoze masses, so let's try to be more conscious of our posts. Let's try to keep racism out of this forum shall we? This is a great place for Mac users to gather and talk about the platform we love; let's keep it that way.
The last Macintosh virus was the 1998 AutoStart 9805 Worm, which only affected systems that had "AutoStart CD's" turned on. It was widely distributed on one of MacAddict's included CD's. MacAddict later distributed a clean disc.
Hooray for the worm!
The reasoning behind my gratitude for this destructive worm is that allowed me to play chess for over 5 hours paid instead of taking calls for Dull Tech Support... First day in a week that I arrived on time, but all aside, Thank you, blackhat(s)!
The reasoning behind my gratitude for this destructive worm is that allowed me to play chess for over 5 hours paid instead of taking calls for Dull Tech Support... First day in a week that I arrived on time, but all aside, Thank you, blackhat(s)!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Why do people think MSSQL is any good, anyway?
Yes, .NET like a lot of MS products is very nice but how can you use it and feel good about what you're doing? By using Windows/IIS/MSSQL/.NET you've locked yourself into closed, proprietary technologies that are controlled by convicted monopolist and are at the mercy of that monopolist.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why do people think MSSQL is any good, anyway?
But you get my point. Most of them are just outright ridiculous.
I use Microsoft .NET and feel good about what I'm doing because Microsoft .NET allows me to code less, quicker--basically be more productive. As a programmer, that is very important. .NET can be very versatile, even more so than Java sometimes.
.NET is Microsoft's highest quality software architecture ever. They spent years and years reimplementing Win32, COM/COM+, ActiveX, etc. into one nice package in a managed environment.
Sure Windows and and IIS are proprietary. But what do I care. They work, and they do work very well. They sure as hell are much easier to use and configure than UNIX servers with Apache and they are just as stable and work as well.
And what are you smoking about Microsoft SQL being proprietary. It's using ANSI-SQL for pete's sake. Every piece of SQL queries and stored procedures has worked cross platform with PostreSQL, as I do development on both PostreSQL and Microsoft SQL Server. SQL Server 2000 also can export the requested query to XML. All standards. Okay, maybe not ADVANCED features. But same is true with Oracle. Playing devil's advocate: Oracle *IS* proprietary as well, yet you drool over Oracle, just because it's not Microsoft's. SQL is pretty much compatible with any others, except on extremely advanced stuff. MySQL b0rks out on some ANSI SQL that I've tried, but then again, its target isn't enterprise, but as a fast engine for the Web that people can afford if they can't afford or don't need the advanced features of all advanced SQL database servers.
Oh, by the way, .NET isn't exactly proprietary. It's Microsoft's implementation of the ECMA standard CLI. As with Java, .NET classes can be proprietary (i.e. System.Windows.Forms) but there is nothing to stop Mono from being able to implement their own. In fact, they have a few that binds with QT and GTK. Hell, I can even make 100% pure .NET binaries using Mono with GTK to produce Linux UI apps without a single cent sent to Microsoft. This is similar to Java's Swing. Apple is doing exactly this--keeping the UI proprietary. So suddenly, for Microsoft, this has to change? Wtf. In fact, I think this is the best way for UIs to interoperate. Why should Microsoft bother optimizing Windows Forms and make sure they work on all of X11's Window Managers. GTK and QT already can do pretty much what is needed--all they need is a .NET wrapper for it and optimize it. I'd choose that for a Linux solution over trying to make Windows Forms work on all window managers.
At least it's finally pushing competition to Java. Sun will have a much greater incentive to innovate on Java.
Please, send your FUDs to people who will blindly believe you. I know for a fact that I'm not the only .NET developer surfing on this boards.
Please. I've been through anti-MS FUD. 99% of those are unfounded. Of course 78.4% of statistics are made up.
But you get my point. Most of them are just outright ridiculous.I use Microsoft .NET and feel good about what I'm doing because Microsoft .NET allows me to code less, quicker--basically be more productive. As a programmer, that is very important. .NET can be very versatile, even more so than Java sometimes.
.NET is Microsoft's highest quality software architecture ever. They spent years and years reimplementing Win32, COM/COM+, ActiveX, etc. into one nice package in a managed environment.
Sure Windows and and IIS are proprietary. But what do I care. They work, and they do work very well. They sure as hell are much easier to use and configure than UNIX servers with Apache and they are just as stable and work as well.
And what are you smoking about Microsoft SQL being proprietary. It's using ANSI-SQL for pete's sake. Every piece of SQL queries and stored procedures has worked cross platform with PostreSQL, as I do development on both PostreSQL and Microsoft SQL Server. SQL Server 2000 also can export the requested query to XML. All standards. Okay, maybe not ADVANCED features. But same is true with Oracle. Playing devil's advocate: Oracle *IS* proprietary as well, yet you drool over Oracle, just because it's not Microsoft's. SQL is pretty much compatible with any others, except on extremely advanced stuff. MySQL b0rks out on some ANSI SQL that I've tried, but then again, its target isn't enterprise, but as a fast engine for the Web that people can afford if they can't afford or don't need the advanced features of all advanced SQL database servers.
Oh, by the way, .NET isn't exactly proprietary. It's Microsoft's implementation of the ECMA standard CLI. As with Java, .NET classes can be proprietary (i.e. System.Windows.Forms) but there is nothing to stop Mono from being able to implement their own. In fact, they have a few that binds with QT and GTK. Hell, I can even make 100% pure .NET binaries using Mono with GTK to produce Linux UI apps without a single cent sent to Microsoft. This is similar to Java's Swing. Apple is doing exactly this--keeping the UI proprietary. So suddenly, for Microsoft, this has to change? Wtf. In fact, I think this is the best way for UIs to interoperate. Why should Microsoft bother optimizing Windows Forms and make sure they work on all of X11's Window Managers. GTK and QT already can do pretty much what is needed--all they need is a .NET wrapper for it and optimize it. I'd choose that for a Linux solution over trying to make Windows Forms work on all window managers.
At least it's finally pushing competition to Java. Sun will have a much greater incentive to innovate on Java.
Please, send your FUDs to people who will blindly believe you. I know for a fact that I'm not the only .NET developer surfing on this boards.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why do people think MSSQL is any good, anyway?
MS is a convicted monopolist and the majority of their products are closed and/or are proprietary. Please tell me were the FUD is? Im not in the mood to get into some pissing match over completing technologies; Ive been using UNIX, MacOS, and Windows for a long time and have heard all the arguments. I know that I feel better and am just as productive, if not more so, using products and technologies that dont come from MS; sell your soul to whomever you chose.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why do people think MSSQL is any good, anyway?
Your FUD is that Microsoft is 100% purely proprietary and incompatible with others.
Good for you, use what works for you. Why do you have to attack the Windows/.NET users for using what's best for them? The majority of SSL-powered sites are run on Microsoft's platform, and SSL accounts for most, if not all, e-commerce.
I don't sell my soul to anyone, not even to Microsoft. I purchase Microsoft products with my money. Money isn't my soul.
Yes, Microsoft is a convicted monopolist. But does that change the fact that I think .NET is one of the best technologies to come out in years? No.
Your FUD is that Microsoft is 100% purely proprietary and incompatible with others.
Good for you, use what works for you. Why do you have to attack the Windows/.NET users for using what's best for them? The majority of SSL-powered sites are run on Microsoft's platform, and SSL accounts for most, if not all, e-commerce.
I don't sell my soul to anyone, not even to Microsoft. I purchase Microsoft products with my money. Money isn't my soul.