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GooseInTheCaboose

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I haven’t seen one positive review of the ASD. Was it a flop? Is it a good display? Is there any real alternative? Is this a great product or a quirky one?

Edit—thanks you guys, after all your replies I got one, and it is a real treat! :D
In addition, the ASD IS recommended here: https://www.popphoto.com/story/reviews/best-monitor-for-photo-editing/
 
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To my opinion, it is a fine monitor. I have one next to my main display, which is a Pro XDR, and from the front, they are identical except for the size. It is solidly made - unlike practically all other non-Apple monitors that have stands barely sufficient to hold them up, but are tuned to wobble with every mouse click. For me it is strictly a desktop expansion addition. I don't use the speakers or camera, but they worked fine in my one test. I agree with most that it is a bit pricey, but for something that I will stare at for years to come I didn't want to cut financial corners.

Side by side, the blacks are not as deep as the Pro, which is to be expected, but text-wise, I don't notice any difference. They are both super-crisp.

So yes, I would buy another Studio if needed, and would recommend it for any serious monitor-gazers who will be sitting in front of their Mac for hours on end.
 
I waited for more affordable Apple display for so long and was disappointed when ASD came out. I don’t own one but I’ve tested one in a store. I love the image quality, build quality, even bezels, sturdy design etc. The problem for me is price. In my country it starts from 1800€. There are some “cool” “extra” features that in my view are useless and drive the cost up. Like it having own processor and stuff like that. I know quality monitors from Dell for example cost 600-800€ so I would probably pay like 1000€ for Apple one. But 1800€ is just too much for me personally to justify it. That’s without the adjustable stand.
 
To my opinion, it is a fine monitor. I have one next to my main display, which is a Pro XDR, and from the front, they are identical except for the size. It is solidly made - unlike practically all other non-Apple monitors that have stands barely sufficient to hold them up, but are tuned to wobble with every mouse click. For me it is strictly a desktop expansion addition. I don't use the speakers or camera, but they worked fine in my one test.
This will have me giggling all day. 😆

I have one. I also have two very good iMac screens that can't be used because the innards can't be used safely on the 'net anymore. I hope this ASD is the last screen I ever buy, just change out the Mini/Studio for my remaining years.
 
Nice display.
Way WAY overpriced.

Thus... didn't sell all that well.

Fearless Fishrrman prediction:
It's going to be the same way with all Apple displays in the future.
That is the problem, Apple are doing the sell less for more approach, and it is affecting what they sell, if they switched to a sell more for less, they would no doubt sell more product.. I would be inclinded to replace more often, but 99% of Apple gear is way overpriced, so the incentive to replace is just not there for me...

I am not going to spend $3000 or the local here for an ipad pro... that is just insane, and I don't get value, the $330 I paid for the ipad mini 2 in 2013, or about $800 for the macbook pro in 2013, was value, I am still using the 2013 macbook pro as my daily driver, the 2013 ipad is e-waste, stuck in ios903 purgatory.
 
No high refresh rate
too expensive
thick borders
The iMac M1 has a decent display, incredible speakers and microphone, nice webcam, much thinner, available in more colors, and is a computer by itself.
I Just don’t get it, why the ASD is so expensive (what cost that much?
 
I've passed the age group of impulse buy. Hence, I see little value in ASD.

For a proper config of ASD, the price is about $2000. For the same amount of money, I could buy SIX decent 4K LG displays. That's six monitors. I could use three myself, and gift three to family members. Way more happier people including myself. Why should I be feeding the fat pay check for Apple executives? Zero.

Apple surely isn't stupid. The marketing people price in ASD owners will have a long replacement cycle. They assume you're going to keep it more than 10+ years. So you better use it to make it worth the hard (or easy) money you earned or re-sell at a reasonable price to recoup your sunk cost.

And what do you get for SIX decent 4K LG displays?
  • no wobble whatsoever. LOL
  • similar colour accuracy
  • similar crisp text at normal viewing distance (at where crispness should be judged)
  • a bit more GPU utilisation (around 5-8% if you choose to use a fractional scaled resolution); note that most of the time your GPU is idle doing very little workload.
  • way more screen real estate than a tiny ASD in comparison as long as your desk can accommodate six monitors
 
I've passed the age group of impulse buy. Hence, I see little value in ASD.

For a proper config of ASD, the price is about $2000. For the same amount of money, I could buy SIX decent 4K LG displays. That's six monitors. I could use three myself, and gift three to family members. Way more happier people including myself. Why should I be feeding the fat pay check for Apple executives? Zero.

Apple surely isn't stupid. The marketing people price in ASD owners will have a long replacement cycle. They assume you're going to keep it more than 10+ years. So you better use it to make it worth the hard (or easy) money you earned or re-sell at a reasonable price to recoup your sunk cost.

And what do you get for SIX decent 4K LG displays?
  • no wobble whatsoever. LOL
  • similar colour accuracy
  • similar crisp text at normal viewing distance (at where crispness should be judged)
  • a bit more GPU utilisation (around 5-8% if you choose to use a fractional scaled resolution); note that most of the time your GPU is idle doing very little workload.
  • way more screen real estate than a tiny ASD in comparison as long as your desk can accommodate six monitors
Yeah, or two dell 4k’s that are around 7-800usd.

What bothers me is that no reputable reviews have said that this is a great product that everyone should buy. In fact, I would not be bothered if they said “normal users should not get this, but power users definitely should if they can afford it and it is a real treat for them!”

I havent seen any statements like this for any group of users :(
 
I haven’t seen one positive review of the ASD. Was it a flop? Is it a good display? Is there any real alternative? Is this a great product or a quirky one?
I haven't seen any negative reports :). I have seen a lot of folks comment about how there are third party displays that are "nearly as good" or a "better deal for the money" but many of them aren't as bright or don't allow changing the display brightness via the keyboard or can't change the sound output via keyboard or require special cables. The Studio Display has one glaring weakness from my perspective and that's the need to connect it via a thunderbolt cable. To me, that is a real flaw and it takes up a port and can't be chained. I have two of them connected to my Mac Studio and I roll my eyes at losing two thunderbolt ports due to that issue. Other than that, it's a wonderful display that is unequaled in its' integration and performance.
 
Yeah, or two dell 4k’s that are around 7-800usd.

What bothers me is that no reputable reviews have said that this is a great product that everyone should buy. In fact, I would not be bothered if they said “normal users should not get this, but power users definitely should if they can afford it and it is a real treat for them!”

I havent seen any statements like this for any group of users :(
There is nothing wrong about the ASD except that it is a bit pricey for many buyers. Nothing for reviewers to clickbait with on the negative side and the price and only one available size make it hard for reviewers to earn clickthrough profit. And comparing to XDR the ASD is less exciting for those willing to spend lots, so little value in reviewing.

Personally I would likely own a nano-textured ASD except that it is 27" only. I have evolved to 32" as my preferred size (three 4K displays) and the $6k 32" XDR price is too high for me.
 
It is solidly made - unlike practically all other non-Apple monitors that have stands barely sufficient to hold them up, but are tuned to wobble with every mouse click.
This is a very outdated opinion. I have a BenQ PD2705U (27" 4K) and a AOC U32P2CA (32" 4K) both have solid metal bases and are adjustable in every direction without having to dish out another boat load of cash. The BenQ sits right next to my iMac 5K and I prefer it when doing photo editing. I looked at getting the ASD but just couldn't justify that price...
 
Yeah, or two dell 4k’s that are around 7-800usd.

What bothers me is that no reputable reviews have said that this is a great product that everyone should buy. In fact, I would not be bothered if they said “normal users should not get this, but power users definitely should if they can afford it and it is a real treat for them!”

I havent seen any statements like this for any group of users :(

The essential technologies in ASD are more than 10 years old by now:
  • the same old max. 60Hz refresh rate. Even not bothering adding VRR (aka ProMotion in Apple-speak) like a decent 4K LG has where VRR is between 40-60Hz, better than none and save some energy. I would expect higher than 60Hz refresh at the minimum from the price of ASD.
  • the same old backlight system like 10 years ago. No local dimming whatsoever. For the asking price, you would think Apple at least gives it a try
  • heck. it even doesn't have IPS Black technology that's an improved IPS tech available in latest 4K LG or Dell from 2022 models, targeting graphic designers and creators. I'm quite sure when ASD was in development, Apple should be aware of IPS Black from LGD already.
 
I haven’t seen one positive review of the ASD. Was it a flop? Is it a good display? Is there any real alternative? Is this a great product or a quirky one?
Not one positive review? The forums here are loaded with posts about people who love their ASD. Do you count that as a review? Well there you are. Lots of posts who feel it's too expensive, too. There's an entire thread with 120+ pages of posts by ASD owners. Have you looked there? There are threads about different 5K 27" monitors and how good or bad they are. Seriously look around and the answers to your questions are easy to find if you just look.
 
This is a very outdated opinion. I have a BenQ PD2705U (27" 4K) and a AOC U32P2CA (32" 4K)
Not exactly. I don't consider 5 months to be way out of date. I have an expensive LG 4k monitor bought for a linux box a few months ago on recommendation (well made, great display, super value, wonderful for text... etc). Yes, the display is definitely high quality but the build is strictly Yugo class. The stand and keeper were designed by a janitor one night when he finished his mopping early - or so it appears. I use a block of wood underneath to keep the panel from constantly falling forward. The other Samsung 1080p manages to stay vertical, but only if I don't bump the table.

Display quality of any monitor nowadays is probably good across the board from any brand. The build quality is definitely not.

This is where someone gives that the problem is obviously not OEM monitors, but flimsy table makers.
 
I haven’t seen one positive review of the ASD. Was it a flop? Is it a good display? Is there any real alternative? Is this a great product or a quirky one?

The ASD and Pro XDR are the best Mac monitors. But it’s more than a monitor, it turns any Mac into an iMac / iMac Pro.

MacRumors thinks the $1400 Samsung ViewFinity S9 which they have been waiting more than a year for, is better because it is $200 cheaper.
 
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I haven’t seen one positive review of the ASD.

I think the general population of commenters on MacRumors are far, far too concerned with having their purchase decisions constantly and obsessively validated by reviewers, influencers, and each other. Pathlogically so. Determine your need, match a product to that need at a price you are willing to pay, purchase product. Have confidence in your decision making process. That may include seeking input from others, of course, but the moment you're seeking validation, your process lacks objectivity.

(OP: not a comment on you specifically, just the nature of threads like this that seem to have the only purpose to constantly re-litigate the "success" [defined as what?] of long-proven products).

Somehow MacRumors thinks the $1400 Samsung ViewFinity S9 which they have been waiting more than a year for, is better because it is $200 cheaper.

Because cost matters to most people, as it should. Except for a blessed few, price will always matter to almost all people. Apple, in its quest to culture a premium, aspirational brand image, and protect its extremely high margins, sets pricing significantly above its peers. Sometimes laughably so. That doesn't mean those purchases don't have value, or aren't worth the prices Apple asks, but it's up to the individual to place that price within their matrix of affordability. That MacRumors would take an editorial position arguing in favor of a lower priced product with similar technical specs is common sense.
 
I haven't seen a 5K display with high quaility speakers and a solid aluminum design much cheaper at all. I am 100% in the mac world and want something 100% compatible with my mac. Its plug and play. You pay a little extra for that. Makes sense if you own a Mac. I work from home so its been well worth the investment.
 
I think the general population of commenters on MacRumors are far, far too concerned with having their purchase decisions constantly and obsessively validated by reviewers, influencers, and each other. Pathlogically so. Determine your need, match a product to that need at a price you are willing to pay, purchase product. Have confidence in your decision making process. That may include seeking input from others, of course, but the moment you're seeking validation, your process lacks objectivity.

(OP: not a comment on you specifically, just the nature of threads like this that seem to have the only purpose to constantly re-litigate the "success" [defined as what?] of long-proven products).



Because cost matters to most people, as it should. Except for a blessed few, price will always matter. Apple, in its quest to culture a premium, aspirational brand image, and protect its extremely high margins, sets pricing significantly above its peers. Sometimes laughably so. That doesn't mean those purchases don't have value, or aren't worth the prices Apple asks, but it's up to the individual to place that price within their matrix of affordability. That MacRumors would take an editorial position arguing in favor of a lower priced product with similar technical specs is common sense.

Thing is, you get what you pay for. Apple doesn’t cut corners.

But enjoy using a Samsung Monitor with an Apple computer. I’m sure it won’t work as good and is as well integrated with Mac like an Apple Studio Display.

Now if it was for a PC, then it is a different story ofcourse. Then the Samsung monitor makes more sense.
 
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