The pro can’t even do it. So I’m failing to see your argument. Do pros not work on 2 monitors?
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The Mac mini can support both a 6K monitor and 4K monitor simultaneously at 60 Hz.
And it costs less than the MacBook Air.
What I want to know though is if it will support the Apple 30" Cinema HD Display, via dongles, just because I have one of these displays. I do know it works though from my 2017 iMac and from my 2017 MacBook.
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And it costs less than the MacBook Air.
What I want to know though is if it will support the Apple 30" Cinema HD Display, via dongles, just because I have one of these displays. I do know it works though from my 2017 iMac and from my 2017 MacBook.
Anyone using the (dual-link DVI) Apple 30” Cinema HD Display with an M1 USB4 Mac?
I have an old Apple 30” Cinema HD Display that I’m currently using with a cheese grater Mac Pro. I was thinking of replacing that with a Mac mini M1. Using a USB-C to mini-DisplayPort dongle, along with the Apple mini-DisplayPort to dual-DVI adapter, the monitor works fine with my 2017 12” Core...
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Sweet Christmas...presuming those are specced the same that's truly impressive. What was really the most impressive was the M1 opening 50 apps and remaining responsive so you could see what was going on in Mission Control or start doing things in some apps while waiting for others.
And, everyone saying "oh yeah, my more powerful machine is still faster!" should remember that the M1 is in the base models of everything...and it's made the base models faster than basically the entire Mac lineup in general. That means that when Apple gets around to your machine it's going to be blown away exactly like this. I really can't wait until they put together a new machine that isn't just an upgrade of their current ones...I'm hoping for a midrange pro machine that isn't an iMac, either a big Mac Mini or small Pro, that machine will be just perfect.
And, everyone saying "oh yeah, my more powerful machine is still faster!" should remember that the M1 is in the base models of everything...and it's made the base models faster than basically the entire Mac lineup in general. That means that when Apple gets around to your machine it's going to be blown away exactly like this. I really can't wait until they put together a new machine that isn't just an upgrade of their current ones...I'm hoping for a midrange pro machine that isn't an iMac, either a big Mac Mini or small Pro, that machine will be just perfect.
I don’t think the base model M1s are supposed to be able to do what you are asking of them. I don’t think Apple claimed they were. They are still selling your 16” for people like you.
I know some will say “but it’s a 13in MacBook PRO” as if that means it should be able to compete with a MacPro, but it simply means Pro as in not an Air.
Doesn’t it depend on what you are a professional at as to whether you use two monitors or not? There are lots and lots of different types of professional.
Apple do different types of professional machine to cater for those different types of professional.
Some are low end, ram and port limited, but cheap, small and fast.
Others are higher end without the same restrictions but with other caveats.
It’s really depends on what you want, and as a professional and not a general consumer, you’re more than likely to know what you need and therefore choose accordingly.
Apple has had their MacBook pro line up split in to two tiers like this for years and years, but they just started transitioning its line up to a new architecture, so it’s no surprise to find that they haven’t converted all of their machines to it yet.
The MacBook Air has been Apple's highest-selling system for years.
"The rest of the world" doesn't need all the Pro features.
I do - so I won't be replacing my 16" MacBook Pro with an Apple Silicon device soon (3 4K displays + internal is my standard,) but I did just buy an M1 MacBook Air for my sister, who is a teacher. She'll use it internal-display-only 90% of the time, and one external display (a projector, probably only 720p) the rest of the time.
I may use an eGPU occasionally, and plug in more than two Thunderbolt devices occasionally, and make use of more than 16 GB of RAM regularly, but my sister won't.
I did buy an M1 Mac mini "to play with" - and for a *LOT* of tasks, it beats my MacBook Pro. An $899 (I upgraded to 16 GB RAM) system that the whole *system* only draws 25W max beats out a $3300 system (upgraded RAM, storage, GPU) with a 45W CPU and 45W GPU in *MANY* tasks. Even GPU tasks are within a hair's breadth.
MacBook Air and MacBook Pro Intel can both power Dual monitors. M1 cannot across both devices (air and pro).
I used my M1 MacBook Air yesterday for a full work day Without connecting to power. I was running the following:
onedrive (intel/rosetta)
Outlook (ARM)
Mail
Safari
Splashtop RMM (intel/Rosetta)
Word(ARM)
Teams (intel/rosetta)
I also watched a few YouTube videos as it was quiet.
MacBook Air on at 0830 off at 1730 slept for about 30 mins at lunch. Battery was at 59% when I put it to sleep at 1730. Same svenario on my Macbook Pro I would have it on the charger by lunchtime.
one think I do not like, it was cold in the house and normally, as it’s just me in during the day, I don’t turn the heating on. This is fine normally as my MacBook Pro keeps my hands warm. Not so with the Air, it was cold to the touch all day and was sucking the heat from my already cold hands.
onedrive (intel/rosetta)
Outlook (ARM)
Safari
Splashtop RMM (intel/Rosetta)
Word(ARM)
Teams (intel/rosetta)
I also watched a few YouTube videos as it was quiet.
MacBook Air on at 0830 off at 1730 slept for about 30 mins at lunch. Battery was at 59% when I put it to sleep at 1730. Same svenario on my Macbook Pro I would have it on the charger by lunchtime.
one think I do not like, it was cold in the house and normally, as it’s just me in during the day, I don’t turn the heating on. This is fine normally as my MacBook Pro keeps my hands warm. Not so with the Air, it was cold to the touch all day and was sucking the heat from my already cold hands.
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Buy an ultra wide? I know that the fact it cannot support more than one external monitor but it gives you the screen real estate of 2? Technically you can have 3 displays, built in, external monitor, side car display.
Both devices cannot, true. I don’t think it’s a proven fact that it’s an m1 limitation, but as the mini cannot also (without the help of hdmi) then it’s likely the case.
It means nothing though. The intel versions could also boot camp windows.
Things change.
It’s highly unlikely that Apple will limit their higher specc’d pro machines to just one external monitor. Bemoaning base level machines for not having high end features that base level users will never use is pointless.
We need to wait until the transition is complete surely.
yes, then you would know they said it was probably a 24 watt CPU and it drew 31 watts at the outlet? We already know from your previous post you’re a wizard with maths, so why the snarky remark?
Great to see a real world review... this tells me that as a developer the MBA would be the way to go.
An extreme case (at least for myself) is building huge apps which as a full, clean build/archive takes around 2-3 minutes which looks like won't come near hitting the throttle threshold on a MBA.
The other case would be with Android Studio and building a Kotlin app there (which I assume will be using Rosetta 2 for a while)... but even there it's around the same amount of HP usage time.
For a dev it looks like the MBP only makes sense if you're going extreme and building the Linux Kernel or equivalent... does anyone else have an opinion?
An extreme case (at least for myself) is building huge apps which as a full, clean build/archive takes around 2-3 minutes which looks like won't come near hitting the throttle threshold on a MBA.
The other case would be with Android Studio and building a Kotlin app there (which I assume will be using Rosetta 2 for a while)... but even there it's around the same amount of HP usage time.
For a dev it looks like the MBP only makes sense if you're going extreme and building the Linux Kernel or equivalent... does anyone else have an opinion?
I didn’t read all of your comments so I may have missed it but it seemed like you stated 25 watts as fact without mentioning that anandtech was upfront about it being a guess.
From the article:
“ my best guess would be a 20 to 24W range.”
?? I didn't say anything as fact, given the article mentions, amongst others, 20, 24, 27, and 31 watts. I suggested 25 watts was more likely, rather than the numerous "2.6 TFLOPS @ < 10 watts" throughout this thread.
I concede, only on the second reading did I see the “ my best guess would be a 20 to 24W range.” in the article.
I have to agree. The M1 is miles ahead of whatever they're trying to do with ARM and Windows.
To be honest, until you prompted me to reread that section of the article, I hadn’t noticed that the idle current was only 4.2 watts. That is pretty impressive. I think my Windows gaming computer burns that when it is sleeping.
Know hee haw pretty much about computers, but love reading these threads for some strange reason.
Now I know a lot of reviews shall we say are not entirely impartial, so read this and was intrigued what the response would be on here to it, seriously not trolling, just interested what everyone thinks.
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Now I know a lot of reviews shall we say are not entirely impartial, so read this and was intrigued what the response would be on here to it, seriously not trolling, just interested what everyone thinks.
Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want To Pass — Forbes
#1-ranked tech analyst Patrick Moorhead reviews the new Apple MacBook Pro 13" M1 processor.
An interesting read; it’s a bit unbalanced the other way ironically in my opinion, that is it highlights the downsides (and there are some key ones) of these new systems without really acknowledging the key benefits. It is interesting how some of his benchmarks play out quite differently though. I wonder if he is right about many of the early reviewers being chosen by Apple?Know hee haw pretty much about computers, but love reading these threads for some strange reason.
Now I know a lot of reviews shall we say are not entirely impartial, so read this and was intrigued what the response would be on here to it, seriously not trolling, just interested what everyone thinks.
Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want To Pass — Forbes
#1-ranked tech analyst Patrick Moorhead reviews the new Apple MacBook Pro 13" M1 processor.
Lost all credibility when he installed edge. Also, Adobe Reader XI 11.0.10 wtf, that’s at least 5 years old and shouldn’t be installed because of security vulnerabilities. you can install an ARM version of office 365 now where the only intel based app is OneDrive for business. No business mandates the use of Edge, even on windows, this guy is literally trolling in this article.
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Hmm not so sure about that, my (ex) employer installs edge on its laptops? Isn’t the version on office 365 for ARM 32 bit?
The beta version is for ARM64, it’s actually a universal build so also supports intel. No idea why anyone would run edge on anything but windows (original edge was terrible, the newer chrome based version is better though).
The article predicted 100 nm in 2000, not bad. And in 2020 we are now at 5 nm for M1...2.6 TFLOPS at 10 watts.
Let's go back to 1992.
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We've come so crazy far.
Prediction is next year sometime. Won't be M1 though, at least for the mid and higher end models. It will be a more advanced chip. Perhaps an entry level will be M1 though.