Watch Face activates too late?

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samiznaetekto

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Watch Pharrell's video frame by frame. The watch face activates when the watch is already at about 60 degrees from horizontal, facing the camera. If someone were to check the time while standing, it's way too late, usually you bring the watch close to horizontal or even at some angle away from you.

Do you think this fail will be an annoying issue in actual use?

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1st moment the screen lit up.

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Also, the watch is only readable because he brings it at such an angle as to use the dark side of the house as a reflection. It'll be barely readable when sky is reflected:

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(note how sky reflection is as bright or brighter as dial numbers or Micky's hands)
 
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samiznaetekto said:
Watch Pharrell's video frame by frame. The watch face activates when the watch is already at about 60 degrees from horizontal, facing the camera. If someone were to check the time while standing, it's way too late, usually you bring the watch close to horizontal or even at some angle away from you.

Do you think this fail will be an annoying issue in actual use?

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This has got to be the first (and likely last) time anyone has analyzed The Voice frame by frame.

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samiznaetekto said:
1st moment the screen lit up.

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Also, the watch is only readable because he brings it at such an angle as to use the dark side of the house as a reflection. It'll be barely readable when sky is reflected:

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I'd be more concerned about the dead parrot, bloody rags, whatever that is wrapped around his wrist next to the watch.
 
samiznaetekto said:
1st moment the screen lit up.

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Also, the watch is only readable because he brings it at such an angle as to use the dark side of the house as a reflection. It'll be barely readable when sky is reflected:

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(note how sky reflection is as bright or brighter as dial numbers or Micky's hands)
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Omg this is really funny. Do you have any idea what you're talking about, or are you specifically trying to say bad things about the watch, which you know are ridiculous and untrue? Let me start by saying the screen coming on can't be analyzed by this video, because HE IS SPECIFICALLY trying to make it epic by waiting until the last second to rotate his wrist. Normally you'll be raising and rotating your wrist simultaneously....... The screen should be on before it gets anywhere near that high. As for the sky reflectance, you just cannot be serious. You just can't. I'll go ahead and explain it anyway though. You see, light reflects off of glass. If you turn the watch at an angle away from your face, you aren't going to see the display very well, lmao. Luckily you are wearing a watch, and you'll turn it directly toward your face instead of aiming it into the sky for some unknown reason. Go try the same with your phone and tell us how it works out for you.
 
Multiverse223 said:
Omg this is really funny. Do you have any idea what you're talking about, or are you specifically trying to say bad things about the watch, which you know are ridiculous and untrue? Let me start by saying the screen coming on can't be analyzed by this video, because HE IS SPECIFICALLY trying to make it epic by waiting until the last second to rotate his wrist. Normally you'll be raising and rotating your wrist simultaneously....... The screen should be on before it gets anywhere near that high. As for the sky reflectance, you just cannot be serious. You just can't. I'll go ahead and explain it anyway though. You see, light reflects off of glass. If you turn the watch at an angle away from your face, you aren't going to see the display very well, lmao. Luckily you are wearing a watch, and you'll turn it directly toward your face instead of aiming it into the sky for some unknown reason. Go try the same with your phone and tell us how it works out for you.
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lol people are really grasping of straws here. I mean the thorough analyzation here is just impeccable.
 
> HE IS SPECIFICALLY trying to make it epic by waiting until the last second to rotate his wrist. Normally you'll be raising and rotating your wrist simultaneously.......

To me it looks like a careful movement to make sure the screen comes up. Similar to what we've seen Kevin Lynch do on the keynote stage. Careful, not deliberate like we do in real life.

We'll find out soon how annoying this issue is gonna be in real life. My guess is this forum will be FLOODED with screams and %%&^%&^@#@@$%@#'s. :D

> The screen should be on before it gets anywhere near that high.

That's what I said, too: it SHOULD. But it didn't. :rolleyes:

> you'll turn it directly toward your face instead of aiming it into the sky for some unknown reason. Go try the same with your phone and tell us how it works out for you.

If you're in an open space and facing the sun and aim your watch directly at your face, you'll see the bright reflection of your face, which might be even brighter than the sky. You'll have to turn away and use your own shadow to read the watch. You've never had problems reading your phone in sunlight? Never turned away just to make a shadow and read the screen?
 
samiznaetekto said:
> HE IS SPECIFICALLY trying to make it epic by waiting until the last second to rotate his wrist. Normally you'll be raising and rotating your wrist simultaneously.......

To me it looks like a careful movement to make sure the screen comes up. Similar to what we've seen Kevin Lynch do on the keynote stage. Careful, not deliberate like we do in real life.

We'll find out soon how annoying this issue is gonna be in real life. My guess is this forum will be FLOODED with screams and %%&^%&^@#@@$%@#'s. :D

> The screen should be on before it gets anywhere near that high.

That's what I said, too: it SHOULD. But it didn't. :rolleyes:

> you'll turn it directly toward your face instead of aiming it into the sky for some unknown reason. Go try the same with your phone and tell us how it works out for you.

If you're in an open space and facing the sun and aim your watch directly at your face, you'll see the bright reflection of your face, which might be even brighter than the sky. You'll have to turn away and use your own shadow to read the watch. You've never had problems reading your phone in sunlight? Never turned away just to make a shadow and read the screen?
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Actually it wouldn't be practical for the watch to turn on before it gets to a proper distance from your face. If it was programmed to do so, it would turn on a lot more than needed, and at times when you aren't trying to look at the watch. That can kill the battery by it being used way more than intended, which would be even more annoying than having to wait an extra 4th of a second for the screen to show.

I personally think if the watch turns on in the way it did in the video every time, I"d be perfectly happy with it.
 
samiznaetekto said:
> HE IS SPECIFICALLY trying to make it epic by waiting until the last second to rotate his wrist. Normally you'll be raising and rotating your wrist simultaneously.......

To me it looks like a careful movement to make sure the screen comes up. Similar to what we've seen Kevin Lynch do on the keynote stage. Careful, not deliberate like we do in real life.

We'll find out soon how annoying this issue is gonna be in real life. My guess is this forum will be FLOODED with screams and %%&^%&^@#@@$%@#'s. :D

> The screen should be on before it gets anywhere near that high.

That's what I said, too: it SHOULD. But it didn't. :rolleyes:

> you'll turn it directly toward your face instead of aiming it into the sky for some unknown reason. Go try the same with your phone and tell us how it works out for you.

If you're in an open space and facing the sun and aim your watch directly at your face, you'll see the bright reflection of your face, which might be even brighter than the sky. You'll have to turn away and use your own shadow to read the watch. You've never had problems reading your phone in sunlight? Never turned away just to make a shadow and read the screen?
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Why can't you think about it instead of jumping to conclusions? Like your Kevin lynch keynote comment. That was the first keynote, back in September, when the OS was still very glitchy, as could be seen in the numerous backstage demo videos. It stands to reason that he would do that in a deliberate way. It also stands to reason that he'd do it in a deliberate way to...you know...show the audience the very thing he was trying to describe... If he just raised his wrist normally and the screen were already on before the audience even saw it come on, you'd be here saying that it was staged and the watch face was on the entire time lol. As far as this video, if definitely doesn't seem like it was done in a deliberate way. IT WASNT EVEN A LIVE VIDEO. What possible reason would he have to be so deliberate if he could redo the video a thousand times to get it right? The reason he did that was as I said...to make it seem cooler and epic as opposed to simply being on when he raised his wrist.

Of course you'll see reflections in the watch, that was my point, it will be just like the phone. The thing is, you seemed to be pointing out that you could see clouds lmao. It wasn't facing him at that point... These displays will always be more clear and bright when they're aimed directly at your face, due to multiple reasons, one being reflectance.
 
kovey said:
Holy crap with this forum.
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Quite! I wasn't on MR when the iPhone and iPad were launched.. I'm sitting this revision out but that doesn't mean I'm not excited to see the hype and product launch.
I want it to be a success so they keep it going and put a GPS in for those of us want it.
I know it's comparing chalk and cheese but my vivoactive has a GPS and lasts a week without it on (I am well aware of the screen differences to make this happen before anyone says so).
 
Even The Ultimate Fanboi Gruber confirms:

http://daringfireball.net/2015/04/the_apple_watch

The Ultimate Fanboi said:
I’ve worn a watch every day since I was in 7th grade, almost 30 years ago. I’m used to being able to see the time with just a glance whenever there is sufficient light. Apple Watch is somewhat frustrating in this regard. Even when Wrist Raise detection works perfectly, it takes a moment for the watch face to appear. There’s an inherent tiny amount of lag that isn’t there with a regular watch.

Some other specific examples. I was in New York last week, and stopped to have coffee with a friend in the afternoon. He had a meeting to get to, and I wanted to catch a 4:00 train home to Philadelphia. I was sitting on a low bench, leaning forward, elbows on my knees. It got to 3:00 or so, and I started glancing at my watch every few minutes. But it was always off, because my wrist was already positioned with the watch face up. The only way I could check the time was to artificially flick my wrist or to use my right hand to tap the screen — in either case, a far heavier gesture than the mere glance I’d have needed with my regular watch.

Similarly, it turns out I regularly check the time on my watch while working at my desk, typing. I didn’t even know I had this habit until this week, when it stopped working for me because I was wearing an Apple Watch. Again, because in this position the watch face is already up, the display remains off. My wrist doesn’t move when I want to check the time with my fingers on the keyboard — only my head and eyes do. And yes, my Mac shows the time in the menu bar. I can’t help that I have this habit, and Apple Watch works against it.

Here’s one more scenario. I grind my coffee right before I brew it. I put a few scoops of coffee in my grinder, cap it, and press down with my right hand to engage the grinder. I then look at my left wrist to check that 20 or so seconds have expired. But with Apple Watch, the display keeps turning off every 6 seconds. There are ways around this — I could switch to the stopwatch, start it, and then start grinding my coffee. But my habit is not to even think about my watch or the time until after I’ve already started grinding the beans, at which point my right hand is already occupied pressing down on the lid to the grinder.
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Another one

http://www.theverge.com/a/apple-watch-review

Nilay Patel:

In the first of many moments where the Watch felt underpowered, I found that the screen lit up a couple of ticks too slowly: I’d raise my wrist, wait a beat, and then the screen would turn on. This sounds like a minor quibble, but in the context of a watch you’re glancing at dozens of times a day, it’s quickly distracting. Other smartwatches like the Pebble and the LG G Watch R simply leave their screens on all the time; having a screen that constantly flips on and off is definitely behind the curve.
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This is actually the one thing I am concerned about as with the pebble the 'auto' backlight was always under used. Obviously it will depend on how its used, but with the pebble you really needed to 'flick' your wrist (a deliberate action) for it to light up. Not a big deal, but an annoyance, even on a device that is 'already on' IE: in most situations I could still read it.
If this apple watch is THAT sensitive, like the video, I see it failing as a Gen 1. There is no way it need to be off that long / until that angle. I know a lot of people will say 'but then itll turn on too much' - isnt that what we all complained about when we first heard that it wont stay on all day? This is the most important thing to me is how they balance the battery vs true 'Glances'
I hope there is a sensitivity setting or something to get it to come on sooner, or with a slightly more deliberate action, because I dont want to 'Bring it to my face' to see it. I am hoping to glance at it.
Now I do expect that per the 'day with :Apple:Watch, when notifications come in, itll already be lit up so I wont need to 'bring it to my face' to see whats up.
 
I don't think we will have that issue. It's a video being broken down and criticized. I'm sure that the Apple Engineers can make the screen light up at a reasonable time...
 
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