True, but they haven't done anything for this (or any iDevices in the past for that matter). Heck, they don't even do anything about all the obviously stolen, activation-locked iPhones on eBay.
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Watches selling on EBay being tracked and canceled by Apple?
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True, but they haven't done anything for this (or any iDevices in the past for that matter). Heck, they don't even do anything about all the obviously stolen, activation-locked iPhones on eBay.
While this is correct, you could argue that you are not selling a watch, instead you are selling a preorder - your place in the queue. Then, as soon as you 'transfer' your preorder to the buyer (by, perhaps, changing the delivery address of the preorder), you could argue the auction is complete as you have delivered what you were selling.
You can list an item on eBay for pre sale as long as the item will be shipped within 30 days of the purchase date and the fact that it is a pre sale is clearly stated in the listing.
Man if you guys can figure out a way to get those cancelled I'll set up a Paypal donation fund
Set up a paypal donation fund with $700 in it and I can guarantee you I'll get one canceled. I'll even throw in a free Apple Watch Sport SG.
How much do you think it is costing them to deal with discuntled customers over there not being enough supply to meet customer expectations. I bet it evens out.Remember every penny counts, Apple is not about to spend valuable time and energy with some watches on eBay that gain additional attention AND income for Apple.
Furthermore when the maximum per individual buyer is exceeded online the order cancellation is done automatically via computer. No humans involved, no lost time or focus, simple.
At the end off the day Apple knows it's customers well. They know the customers will wait no matter how long, it's just a fact.
Oh ok, well don't know what's going with people getting there odered canceled then.
Actually it is NOT against eBay's policy to pre-sell something you don't have yet. They have even set up the item numbers of all the Apple Watches in the system and gave lots of tips on how to sell Pre-Orders.
Yes are scalpers listing - they are the ones with TONS of preorders posted and actually some have the nerve to state they will deliver BEFORE 4/24. But there are also a lot of legitimate people who ordered TWO watches on speculation because they did not have an opportunity to see/try before ordering, and now that they have seen them in person wish to sell the one they decided NOT to keep.
Do you think arranging an 'upon delivery' deal on eBay is equivalent to scalping in that situation?
While you may be right, I seriously doubt that Apple gets much resistance. They craft very convincing stories that customers buy into. A very clever company, Apple maintains control over customers unlike any other company can. Year after year.
It's one thing to buy two because you're not sure which you will want and lining up to buy everything that is available. I have seen entire families come in with money to basically purchase every available unit in order to flip. It's these individuals that cause that temporary bubble where people are willing to pay more.... Not because they want to... but because they have the disposable cash and were too lazy or busy to jump on and order when the item went up for sale.
The individuals who take away from the actual release deserve nothing except a kick up the back side.
I wish Apple do cancel the order. I REALLY HATE scalper. Whether it's the Apple Watch, Black Friday or preorders, it ruined everything for people who genuinely wants to buy it.
There was a video article last year showing that majority of the iPhone 6 buyer were reseller from China. After the purchase was made, they show pictures of these buyers handing the iPhones to another (same) person.
There was a video article last year showing that majority of the iPhone 6 buyer were reseller from China. After the purchase was made, they show pictures of these buyers handing the iPhones to another (same) person.
Now it's easy to see that hundreds if not thousands of people, most likely scalpers, pre-ordered watches to turn a profit. But out of the the unsold ones, what do you think these people will do when it approaches the time when the must pay for it?
I would imagine we will see a lot of stock being freed up. But i'm just speculating. I know I would not want to be stuck with physical stock, but then i'm not a scalper.
I would imagine we will see a lot of stock being freed up. But i'm just speculating. I know I would not want to be stuck with physical stock, but then i'm not a scalper.
sadly, i don't think apple can manage what you do with what your purchase. that's why they set a limit on what you can order- to discourage it.
What about flower sellers, that double the price of flowers, just because it's mothers day?
Or train companies that charge more during rush hour when they know commuters have no choice but to pay the higher amount as they need to get to work?
Or holiday companies that put prices of holidays up during school holidays as they know many parents have to book those weeks as they children are out of school then.
Or those who, when there is a shortage of something, put the price up?
Let's stop them all from taking advantage of others. I'm all for this.
Or train companies that charge more during rush hour when they know commuters have no choice but to pay the higher amount as they need to get to work?
Or holiday companies that put prices of holidays up during school holidays as they know many parents have to book those weeks as they children are out of school then.
Or those who, when there is a shortage of something, put the price up?
Let's stop them all from taking advantage of others. I'm all for this.
Watches selling on EBay being tracked and canceled by Apple?
That's comparing apple with orange.
Hotel that increase price during busy season is because of supply and demand. Same with flower seller. That's economic 101. There are other legitimate reasons to drive up price. I.e. More passenger in the train, more maintenance required, more cars need to be ordered, etc.
Scalping is not a byproduct of that, just pure greed and take advantage of other people. Also, just because you can do it doesn't mean it's legal. I.e. your landlord can increase the apartment deposit to $50,000 (10 times the monthly rent) because there are more people willing to rent the apartment and that's only 1 available. He can do it, but the law (at least in the U.S.) will prohibit him to do that.
Scalping is ILLEGAL in certain countries and county, because they drive up price unnecessarily. I.e. Scalping tickets during game time. Unfortunately, the law hasn't caught up with time...
But based on your logic, it's ok for you to not being able to buy ANY product at the manufacturer or authorized reseller price, but 3 times of that from the scalper. I guess each to his own.....
That's comparing apple with orange.
Hotel that increase price during busy season is because of supply and demand. Same with flower seller. That's economic 101. There are other legitimate reasons to drive up price. I.e. More passenger in the train, more maintenance required, more cars need to be ordered, etc.
Scalping is not a byproduct of that, just pure greed and take advantage of other people. Also, just because you can do it doesn't mean it's legal. I.e. your landlord can increase the apartment deposit to $50,000 (10 times the monthly rent) because there are more people willing to rent the apartment and that's only 1 available. He can do it, but the law (at least in the U.S.) will prohibit him to do that.
Scalping is ILLEGAL in certain countries and county, because they drive up price unnecessarily. I.e. Scalping tickets during game time. Unfortunately, the law hasn't caught up with time...
But based on your logic, it's ok for you to not being able to buy ANY product at the manufacturer or authorized reseller price, but 3 times of that from the scalper. I guess each to his own.....
And how is this not supply and demand? I'm sure you protest Uber and their surge pricing as well right.
Watches selling on EBay being tracked and canceled by Apple?
Guess you didn't read my post since you replied so fast. Scalping != supply vs demand. Get it? Read up supply and demand and scalping, tons of article on that in Google.
You seriously think uber surge pricing IS scalping? Geez...
But like I said, you seem ok paying $1800 for an apple Watch? MacBook Air for $3000? If you don't, why do YOU support scalping?
Are you a scalper?
Guess you didn't read my post since you replied so fast. Scalping != supply vs demand. Get it? Read up supply and demand and scalping, tons of article on that in Google.
You seriously think uber surge pricing IS scalping? Geez...
But like I said, you seem ok paying $1800 for an apple Watch? MacBook Air for $3000? If you don't, why do YOU support scalping?
Are you a scalper?
My point is that this present situation is supply and demand exemplified.
Neither one of those products are essential for living. If their value to me is at those levels I'll pay that for them. If not I'll wait until demand drops down and is met by supply and then pay that price.
No, this situation is scalping. It's not the Same. Supply and demand is money going to the original company. If Apple amped up the price the watch now, that would be supply and demand.
I don't agree myself with any of this.
Supply and Demand is just another term for you finding a way to screw someone else over, just a clean business phrase.
Point is, humans are pretty greedy selfish animals, and given the chance to make some money in an easy way, many will take it.
Myself......... If you are poor and struggling, and find a way to make a few dollars for your family then I can forgive you mostly as long as it's legal.
What I despise is those with money, the greedy ones, who have no need for any more and still screw people over to fatten their bank accounts.
Supply and Demand is just another term for you finding a way to screw someone else over, just a clean business phrase.
Point is, humans are pretty greedy selfish animals, and given the chance to make some money in an easy way, many will take it.
Myself......... If you are poor and struggling, and find a way to make a few dollars for your family then I can forgive you mostly as long as it's legal.
What I despise is those with money, the greedy ones, who have no need for any more and still screw people over to fatten their bank accounts.
So anytime the money doesn't go to the OEM it's scalping. So if I get a rare baseball card in a pack from the store and sell it for more than the pack cost am i scalping too? What about if I wait 5 years.
if the supply of the watch from Apple met the demand of the watch from the market then there wouldn't be a market for them at a higher price. You may not agree with it but it is supply and demand.
Wow, you're really being obtuse about this. I'm out, as you obviously do not get it.