We will never see powebook g5s will we?

AP_piano295

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Thinking mactel

We will probably never see a g5 powerbook I dont see IBM working hard to develope a product for a company that just dumped them. So every one who waited for the g5s may never see them.

Thoughts...
 

ITASOR

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AP_piano295 said:
Thinking mactel

We will probably never see a g5 powerbook I dont see IBM working hard to develope a product for a company that just dumped them. So every one who waited for the g5s may never see them.

Thoughts...
Why would they give up, when they could keep working hard and earn every last cent before apple "ditches" them.
 

irok

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well we all know the intel-mac transitions will take place slowly.

why bring out a g5 notebook, when the ibook is due for an update and when powerbooks updated 5 months ago. we'll be seeing intel-mac based computers and laptops within 2 years, hopefully in less then a year.

if g5 notebooks were to come out, it better be a g5 ibook :)
 

grapes911

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ITASOR said:
Why would they give up, when they could keep working hard and earn every last cent before apple "ditches" them.
IBM may not give up, but Apple probably will. Apple have to redesign their laptop to hold the G5.
 

yoda13

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Yeah, I doubt that we'll see these either. I think that Apple jumping to Intel insured this.
 

stridey

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People saying "we won't see a G5 powerbook because of the Intel switch" are probably looking at it the wrong way around, in my seeing. It's all speculation, but the way I see it, we're making the Intel switch because we'll never see a G5 powerbook, not the other way around.
 

jefhatfield

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some pc companies have intel and amd processors in both their desktops and laptops

apple currently uses motorola's g4 and ibm's g5 with a plan to use intel

but i have no idea if apple will solely use intel and dump the other two right away...if the transition is very slow, then maybe there could be a transition laptop with a g5 in it because i can't see apple using a g4 chip in their laptops for another two years if that's how long the intel switchover takes in laptops

but i think the transition should be fairly quick since the best advantage apple would have in using intel would be their pentium m chip which would increase ibook and powerbook battery times considerably
 

Agent Smith

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Heh...maybe now the "powerbook g5?" threads will start to disappear.

I doubt that IBM is going to put a lot of R&D into a laptop version of the G5...they have a willing customer in Microsoft for the XBOX 360. Three PPC G5s in a console means that you don't have to keep up with the Jeffersons so to speak in terms of maintaining the technology. The console won't be upgraded for a few years, so there's no reason to continually upgrade your processor line. That's not to say IBM will stop R&D for the PPC, it's just now going to be slower.

I, of course, might be wrong...
 

mattster16

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Steve specifically said in the keynote that they have not been able to deliver 3GHz or a G5 Powerbook. What makes you think Apple would release a G5 Powerbook after he said that?

In the keynote Steve also stated the main reason for switching to intel and it was because of performance/power ratio. This is especially important in portable computers to maximize battery life.

Put two and two together and you can see Apple is making this transition for two reasons: to get some updated, fast portables out quick...and...IBM has been slow with development, Intel is faster

We will never see a G5 Powerbook.
 

xsedrinam

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And after all the articles die a slow death, there's still T-Shirts to deal with :rolleyes: Might I sugguest, "Root, hug, or die...Think MacIntel".
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Sun Baked

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The G5 (Power4-UL) proved incapable of being put into a PowerBook or iBook .... so no joy.

The next generation chip, the Power5-UL, probably would have been able to be used in a PowerBook -- the Power5 added dynamic thermal/power management to the CPU.

But that chip was "delayed indefinitely" while IBM worked on sorting out the PPC970 and working on the PPC970GX/MP as stop gaps.

Of course the delay on the Power5-UL delay was unlikely to ever be lifted unless Apple payed an extortive fee (probably $100-250 million) to IBM to restart the Power5-UL development process.

The PPC970 turned into a lead turd for IBM, nobody but Apple bought it, when IBM hoped to steal a huge chunk of G4 sales (never happened.)

Basically without the large sales IBM was expecting for the PPC970, they basically walked away from future development of future chips.
 

panphage

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Sun Baked said:
The next generation chip, the Power5-UL, probably would have been able to be used in a PowerBook -- the Power5 added dynamic thermal/power management to the CPU.
The 970s had all kinds of thermal/power management according to the docs on IBMs website.
 

wdlove

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I certainly don't see a PPC G5 in the PowerBook. Apple is probably putting all its R & D into the Intel PowerBook. They just have 6 - 9 months to have a model ready for sale.
 

Sun Baked

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panphage said:
The 970s had all kinds of thermal/power management according to the docs on IBMs website.
PowerTune is not even close to what the Power5 is delivering.

Basically PowerTune just slows down the entire processor and uses voltage scaling.

Power5 goes quite a ways beyond that.

Can't remember what the dynamic thermal management included, but the dynamic power management includes clock gating to declock sections of the chip that won't be used in the next cycle.

Edit: the PPC970 is probable a one to a couple few thermal diodes. For the Power 5 -- "For the power management, there was 24 on-die thermal sensors, which use a ring oscillator controlled by a temperature-sensitive current source. If an overheat was detected, the processor repeated normal operation and stall frequently. If the first step failed to decrease the temperature, the processor reduced the number of fetch, dispatch and complete instructions."

Quickie on clock gating and 24 temperature sensors
 

jefhatfield

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wdlove said:
I certainly don't see a PPC G5 in the PowerBook. Apple is probably putting all its R & D into the Intel PowerBook. They just have 6 - 9 months to have a model ready for sale.
my guess is they have been anticipating this move for a long time and i wouldn't be surprised if apple secretly had a working model(s) in r&d of what will come out sometime next year

generation 6 (g6) could be a good name, since g5 is the ibm chip, g4 the motorola chip, g3 by ibm and motorola, and g1 and g2 which are the 601 and 603/604 respectively were by motorola
 

sinisterdesign

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i would be shocked & astounded if a G5 PB became anything more than an annoying, reccuring thread on Mac sites.

i hate that, though. Apple's notebooks are going to be pretty long in the tooth by the time they have an Intel chip in them.
 

Macky-Mac

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stridey said:
People saying "we won't see a G5 powerbook because of the Intel switch" are probably looking at it the wrong way around, in my seeing. It's all speculation, but the way I see it, we're making the Intel switch because we'll never see a G5 powerbook, not the other way around.
agreed!

there wouldn't be a switch if IBM had been able to deliver the goods