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Sorry, didn't mean to use the term "juice" so loosely.

As for my eating plan, I just don't don't have the time to eat 5-6 small meals throughout the day. I usually eat 2.5 to 3 meals each w/ a decent amount of protein. Since I'm pumpin' iron 3x a week, I took the advise of a lot of people to eat protein a protein bar/shake right after the workout. In general, what I needed to know was if I needed to take another bar/shake the next morning or whatnot.:apple:
 
I dont know if anyone mentioned this already,

but from what I've read your "focusing" on your upper body. Work your total body, you shouldn't be really targeting a body part like that, you can't lose weight or gain weight in a specific area and when your legs and lower body are lagging behind later its going to make getting stronger a lot harder as most of your core lifts rely heavily on your lower body and base strength.

Just my 2 cents...
 
o and another one.

if you want big biceps, they will not get big if your triceps are small.
you must get big triceps before biceps.
same applies to hamstrings and quads

2.5 meals is not going to cut it.
4 minimum.
i eat 5 right now.
i eat a meal before lunch in one of my classes and same as the one after lunch.

you need to eat more.

also, on the weight loss, now that your body knows its taking in more calories and working out, your body will need to find its new base line with how much fat there is.

you might actually become smaller than you are right now, if you loss fat and gain a little muscle you will still be smaller but you will prob weigh the same.
muscle weight > fat


actually one thing that a lot of people miss on is hydration.
weigh yourself before your work out, with bare min. cloths on.
then again after your work out (without the sweaty cloths on)
you did not loss weight per say, you lost water, and should drink as much as you lost.
 
To the OP...You're getting some solid advice in this thread..Honestly man..It's a long haul..If you were expecting to see some real noticeable gains in a month size wise,hate to disappoint you but it takes longer than that..
 
To hop onto this thread briefly...

If I'm a thin (borderline gaunt) teenager who is not well-exercised (holidays do that to me) then is it unwise to leap into the world of weight-training, protein shakes, elephant testosterone injections to the arms etc. right away? What's a reliable way of getting started without overdoing things?

The OP has a head-start on me ;)

MA.
 
Much Ado said:
To hop onto this thread briefly...

If I'm a thin (borderline gaunt) teenager who is not well-exercised (holidays do that to me) then is it unwise to leap into the world of weight-training, protein shakes, elephant testosterone injections to the arms etc. right away? What's a reliable way of getting started without overdoing things?

The OP has a head-start on me ;)

MA.
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well one. start small.
bull testosterone works better.:rolleyes:
ya don't push it to hard in the beginning, don't want to hurt yourself.
 
Much Ado said:
If I'm a thin (borderline gaunt) teenager who is not well-exercised (holidays do that to me) then is it unwise to leap into the world of weight-training, protein shakes, elephant testosterone injections to the arms etc. right away? What's a reliable way of getting started without overdoing things?
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Going by your description,my advice would be to get the basics down first. Basics in regard to lifting/nutrition as well as an understanding of the muscles and how they work/grow. Take it slow to avoid injury..And for now,forget about injecting anything into your arms,thighs,ass etc..
 
n8236 said:
I'm confused now, the other posters mention that low reps using the 1RM is the rule if I want to gain mass and look cut. :confused: Cause right now I'm working on 6 machines doing 3 sets each w/ 5 reps each set. And definitely at a weight where we're having trouble w/ the 3rd set.

Also, we've each lost just about 4-5 lbs these past two and a half weeks, we don't know where the weight is going! I hope we're not burning more than we are trying to eat. This is bizarre. :confused:
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I have always been taught that high reps, low weight, = cut physique.
and that High weight, lower reps= mass.
So it's going to be difficult to achieve both simultaneously at your stage. Most guys beef up, then try to tone their muscles. Just my .02.
but as a few others have said, you do reps until your muscles don't want to "agree" anymore. that doesn't mean you break form to get the weight up to finish your set. If you aren't lifting the weight the EXACT same way you were on the very first rep, you might as well rest, and start another set. bcuz that's how ppl hurt themselves.
I think you may have to ambitious of a goal for being new to the weight lifting game. Just take it slow and steady, you WILL achieve your goals eventually if you don't expect too much, and don't give up!!!
good luck
 
fotografica said:
Going by your description,my advice would be to get the basics down first. Basics in regard to lifting/nutrition as well as an understanding of the muscles and how they work/grow. Take it slow to avoid injury..And for now,forget about injecting anything into your arms,thighs,ass etc..
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Yeah, the elephant testosterone was a joke :)

Is swimming good? I have started swimming up to 1 mile each morning.
 
Much Ado said:
Yeah, the elephant testosterone was a joke :)

Is swimming good? I have started swimming up to 1 mile each morning.
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Swimming is a great form of exercise. But remember, if you are trying to bulk you need to eat a lot. One thing that annoys me is that thin people say they already eat a lot. They do not. In order to put weight on (and therefore grow muscles) you need to consume more calories than you burn. In that regard swimming maybe counter productive, burning the calories makes it harder to eat enough to sustain a reasonable amount of muscle growth.

Generally my diet when I was into weight training was something like this:

Breakfast:
2 whole eggs + 2 extra egg whites.

Mid morning:
Tuna sandwich

Lunch:
Something with carbs (pasta was a favourite)

Afternoon:
Peanuts (unsalted) + a couple of slices of brown wholemeal bread

Dinner:
Normal meal, just nothing fried. Lots of veg as it is easy to forget these.

Supper:
Protein shake.

Add in extra shakes etc as needed. It probably wasn't the best diet going but it worked for me.

Edit : Even if you are not hungry, get something inside you. At times I basically had to force myself to eat as I do not naturally have much of an appetite hence the reason I was so skinny before I started.
 
I'll also add
Proteins:Turkey breats, Chicken, beef, tuna, milk products, shrimp.
Carbohydrates: Oats, brown rice, whole wheat pasta and breads, sweet potatoes, and beans.
Fats: Flaxseed oil, olive oil, fish oil pills, and natural peanut butter.
Vegetables: DON'T SKIMP!
Egg whites are your friend.I keep a bunch of hard boiled in the fridge at all times.For omelettes,I use 4 egg whites to one whole egg and add whatever else to that (peppers,onions,etc)..
Whey protein,ftw..Most easily digested form of protein,mixes up super easy and is great for a quick meal in a pinch..Use it in addition to eating food,not as a substitute...

If you're swimming,you may want to check out the SEAL workout link I posted above..
Good luck and keep at it..
 
fotografica said:
I'll also add
Proteins:Turkey breats, Chicken, beef, tuna, milk products, shrimp.
Carbohydrates: Oats, brown rice, whole wheat pasta and breads, sweet potatoes, and beans.
Fats: Flaxseed oil, olive oil, fish oil pills, and natural peanut butter.
Vegetables: DON'T SKIMP!
Egg whites are your friend.I keep a bunch of hard boiled in the fridge at all times.For omelettes,I use 4 egg whites to one whole egg and add whatever else to that (peppers,onions,etc)..
Whey protein,ftw..Most easily digested form of protein,mixes up super easy and is great for a quick meal in a pinch..Use it in addition to eating food,not as a substitute...

If you're swimming,you may want to check out the SEAL workout link I posted above..
Good luck and keep at it..
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Cromulent said:
Swimming is a great form of exercise. But remember, if you are trying to bulk you need to eat a lot. One thing that annoys me is that thin people say they already eat a lot. They do not. In order to put weight on (and therefore grow muscles) you need to consume more calories than you burn. In that regard swimming maybe counter productive, burning the calories makes it harder to eat enough to sustain a reasonable amount of muscle growth.

Generally my diet when I was into weight training was something like this:

Breakfast:
2 whole eggs + 2 extra egg whites.

Mid morning:
Tuna sandwich

Lunch:
Something with carbs (pasta was a favourite)

Afternoon:
Peanuts (unsalted) + a couple of slices of brown wholemeal bread

Dinner:
Normal meal, just nothing fried. Lots of veg as it is easy to forget these.

Supper:
Protein shake.

Add in extra shakes etc as needed. It probably wasn't the best diet going but it worked for me.

Edit : Even if you are not hungry, get something inside you. At times I basically had to force myself to eat as I do not naturally have much of an appetite hence the reason I was so skinny before I started.
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ya basically same diet,
except breakfast was two packets of oatmeal and a large bowl of cereal

also a good idea
take supplements
i used to take flax, i dunno what there called but common ones for joints and things of that nature, then two of these other ones that help with soreness, plus like 5 other ones.
it was like a handfull of pills every morning and night.
my trainer/kynesiologist/chiropractor/sports medicine doctor gave them to me.
along with checking my hormone levels and things of that nature to see what supplements would be good.

its good to see one of those, but for the averg. joe, its pointless, just take like any and every supplement.
 
Thanks folks. I'll do my best.

(There's always the Michael Phelps diet if all else fails ;))
 
OMG, wtf?! Ok, I hope this is part of the process because this is ***** F'ed up lol. As you all know, I've been working my upper body and I've started to notice I have a bit of man b00bs. It's not much, but noticeable when wearing clothes that are skin tight. Will this go away as I refine my pecs?!
 
n8236 said:
OMG, wtf?! Ok, I hope this is part of the process because this is ***** F'ed up lol. As you all know, I've been working my upper body and I've started to notice I have a bit of man b00bs. It's not much, but noticeable when wearing clothes that are skin tight. Will this go away as I refine my pecs?!
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dude if working out was easy,
everyone would be ripped.
Rome wasn't built in a day
 
benlangdon said:
dude if working out was easy,
everyone would be ripped.
Rome wasn't built in a day
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BINGO!!! And that's the point I've been trying to drive home to the OP all along. Ya gotta be in it for the long haul..It's all about commitment.It's what separates the men from the boys..Again,one simple question..How bad do you want it?? Keep bangin bro...
 
Ok cool, I just wanted to make sure that I won't be having saggy man b00bs are anything lol. I'm definitely not doing this for the short-term since my membership at 24 Hour Fitness is for two years (which I will likely to continue anyways). It's just that I would like to see "some" results from 10 weeks of workout.

I think so far it's been working out decently since I've never missed a beat on going nearly every other day. I've gained back a good portion of the weight I lost early on. And I do believe it's muscle because my clothes have gotten tighter all around.

I have made some adjustments to my workout routine: all around legs and doing the reps-to-failure instead of doing a strict 3 set 5 rep routine.

My job schedule is a bit prohibitive in eating 5 meals, so I just eat a lot more on my regular meals.

Can someone answer my question about having another protein shake the morning after the workout (though I've had one the night of the routine)?
 
n8236 said:
Ok cool, I just wanted to make sure that I won't be having saggy man b00bs are anything lol. I'm definitely not doing this for the short-term since my membership at 24 Hour Fitness is for two years (which I will likely to continue anyways). It's just that I would like to see "some" results from 10 weeks of workout.

I think so far it's been working out decently since I've never missed a beat on going nearly every other day. I've gained back a good portion of the weight I lost early on. And I do believe it's muscle because my clothes have gotten tighter all around.

I have made some adjustments to my workout routine: all around legs and doing the reps-to-failure instead of doing a strict 3 set 5 rep routine.

My job schedule is a bit prohibitive in eating 5 meals, so I just eat a lot more on my regular meals.

Can someone answer my question about having another protein shake the morning after the workout (though I've had one the night of the routine)?
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no clue about the morning shake
but if you are going to have 3 meals you should eat the biggest in the morning and medium at lunch and small dinner.
 
HEY I NEED HELP

for some reason, i can not click on links or buttons.
like i was not able to post a reply or new thread about this.
can someone make a thread called.
safari and firefox, buttons and links not working

i have tried same pages in safari and firefox
first it started on google, i could not click the first link,
now its the first 2
and now its forum links and email links and a bunch of random ones.




thanks for anyone who helps me.
this is retarded that this was the only thread i could click reply on.

EDIT
hey can someone really do this please

the only button i can click is edit.
please someone help me with this. please.
just make a thread and post a link of it ( if i can even click on it)
anyone?
 
benlangdon said:
no clue about the morning shake
but if you are going to have 3 meals you should eat the biggest in the morning and medium at lunch and small dinner.
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I completely agree! This is what I've been doing for years, and it works very well. Protein shakes right after the gym will also help.
 
Sadly, I'm not much of a breakfast person and neither do I make (have) time for it. I know, I probably should.......I went out to buy these 10g of protein per serving cereals to make up for the kind of lean food that's cooked at home. I think it should help.
 
n8236 said:
Sadly, I'm not much of a breakfast person and neither do I make (have) time for it. I know, I probably should.......I went out to buy these 10g of protein per serving cereals to make up for the kind of lean food that's cooked at home. I think it should help.
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Whey protein/shakes are a supplement,not a substitute for food.On off days,try and get the protein from eating.I know it's really easy to whip up a nice shake or smoothie (believe me,I make em myself),but don't get to the point where your main daily intake of protein is in powder form. If all else fails,grab some Egg Beaters and whip up an omelette or some scrambled eggs..Real quick breakfast with protein..
 
After just about a month, here are the current results:

Waist - I am lost about an inch (belt able to use a lower notch)

Arms - Gained about 1/2" arms (non-flex)

Stomach - Still a bit of flab, though it's gotten smaller

Double chin - lost about half of what i used to have

Upper body - all clothes has gotten tighter and fitted

Weight - after losing 4-5 lbs of fat, i've gained most of that back (possibly in form of muscle)

As for my diet, I have been very protein conscious. I'm having a more regular schedule and applying more meats into my diet. Also adding a bit more fruit into the mix too.

Question(s) about reps. Now that I've been training for a month now, my overall strength has improved (15-20 lbs). Instead of doing 3 sets of 5 reps, I've made the adjustment to lift till I fail for each rep. I've also read that one should do as many sets as the muscle allows, or is that over training? I do 2-3 minute rests as I need it.
 
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