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Discussion in 'Apple Music, Apple Pay, iCloud, Apple Services' started by boltjames, Jul 6, 2015.
I would not recommend that list to anybody.
That would be a much better point if, because of Netflix etc, you could no longer buy DVDs, Blurays, or digital downloads.
Netflix, Showtime and HBO going to streaming is a more direct form of original distribution which replaces or complements traditional broadcast tv or cable.
Its a long way off from being the only way you can get content.
That's not really the point though. That was a list I came up with of stuff I have liked recently.
A hundred other people could have posted a hundred other lists.
The point is that there is still a lot of good music coming out.
If people don't like any new music coming out, that's fine. But it probably says more about them than it says about anything else.
I interpreted it to mean the manual collection and ordering of digital media. If I misunderstood, please clarify.
Based on what you see now, do you really think anyone will be buying movies in 10 years? Maybe even in 5 years? The primary method of home consumption will be via streaming subscription services. Same goes for music.
Who knows - but your argument seemed to be that you didn't think people would be buying music before too long because of things like Netflix.
People may stop buying movies, but they haven't yet. Netflix etc is more of a alternative way to watch stuff, rather than an alternative way to own stuff.
People don't watch stuff on Netflix instead of buying a box set. They watch stuff on Netflix instead of watching it on cable or regular broadcast tv.
And I think more people tend to collect music more than they collect film and tv, and as someone else said listen to music multiple times in a way that is far less the case with film and tv.
Having said all that, I will concede that there is a generation coming through for whom collecting music will perhaps be an alien concept.
But even them I think that streaming as a model for paying for and listening to music is an excellent deal for most consumers. Someone posted comparable figures for spend on music over the years. People might pay a bit more with streaming than a recent historical average - but most will get far, far more for their money.
My more general point is that 'owning' is on the decline. The rise of Netflix streaming has most certainly been part of the reason people are purchasing movies in far smaller numbers than they used to. The same thing is now going to happen with music. It may take longer, because the notion of 'owning' and 'collecting' runs deeper with music, but this is definitely the beginning of the end. And with music subscription it is even more alluring than with video, as the 'payoff' really is getting almost 'everything'.
I wouldn't disagree that it is diminishing. But I think we're a long way off the point where music, film and tv is not available to buy. Look at what happened with vinyl - declined for years, but never completely went away, and has had something of a resurgence in the last few years. I think for a lot of people, owning music will still be a thing they want to do.
Sure, it'll still be possible. But the numbers of people wanting to buy is going to keep shrinking. The press love to write about the resurgence of vinyl, but really, how many people are buying vinyl? Relative to zero the number is significant, but that's about it
People have *definitely* been stopping their purchasing of movies as they've switched to streaming movies.
Apple Music makes this a bit confusing - The button clearly says "add to my library" -- Then it's everywhere, on all your devices.....until you stop paying.
Apple knows what they're doing - They aren't more clear on this because they have no interest in people "stopping" the subscription (obviously).
One point I still haven't seen mentioned that's a HUGE con for "Stream everything & only stream everything"...
Noticed what's been happening the last couple years with several networks & content providers of TV?
They get into licensing/payment disputes and the channels people pay for are simply "gone" from their package for varying lengths of time.
The summer BBQ will be lots of fun when you only stream everything and your favorite songs are randomly "not available to you" due to a pissing match between huge companies.
No thanks. I think there will virtually *always* be a chunk of us that will want to own the music we really love and always have it available to us irrespective of net connection, licensing issues, etc.
Here's billions of dollars worth of music ... for 10 dollars a month! Sorry, even an idiot can understand how streaming services work.
Yes ... but what's your point? That's not a reason against streaming. That just means some people don't like streaming. Big whoop. Nobody is forcing you to use it. If you want streaming with all the music you own, then something like iTunes Match or Google Play is better suited for you.
Sorry for not being more clear...I'm not talking to you...
I'm talking about Paco who is trying to convince us that "only streaming" will be the near term future (i.e. no purchase options)
Well then I wholeheartedly disagree with Paco.
Hah! I have no expectation of convincing anyone of anything in a forum thread And if I implied that I thought that this would happen near term, thats clearly not the case. But, I do strongly believe fewer and fewer people will want to own music. What would be the point, when you can pay a monthly fee and get everything? Because you might cancel someday? Do you ever think to yourself, I just might cancel my cell phone plan? No, we'll all keep paying for our cell plans until we drop. More and more people will think the same about Music subscriptions. And once that shift happens, the avenues for purchasing music to own will rapidly shrink.
You will probably be surprised to learn that 2014 was the first year that income from digital music matched income from physical music sales with only 32% of the digital revenue coming from streaming. There are still a lot more people buying their music even though streaming is on the up.
The cell phone analogy doesn't work in this matter. People pay their cell phone bills to keep using the network to talk....just like you pay your cable bill to continue using the internet. What you propose with music would not happen for a LONG LONG LONG time, if ever at all. I dont see a day where no one on this planet will pay to own music to access any time for any reason....where the ONLY way to get music is through a subscription. And with all the technical glitches currently going on with the NYSE and other companies this morning....its pure proof that all of this can be taken away at the stoke of a key.
@OllyW ... Don't start throwing your facts and statistics in here! : P
Yes, if it is new to you.
Paco... The cell phone analogy couldn't be any worse.
Please tell me you understand how wildly different cell phone service and music ownership are....
He obviously doesn't. But I'm sure subscription services like this kind of rhetoric.....maybe a political career of twisting facts is in order for Paco.....hehehe.
You only think there is a difference because you've been owning music for years and that's what you know. For someone that hasn't, why would paying a monthly fee for music be any different than paying a monthly fee for their phone?
This isn't about twisting facts. There are no facts. This is totally about what I think the future of having music will look like. When cable TV first hit the scene, people were like 'heck no I'm not paying a monthly fee for something I get free over the air.' Now you don't think twice. My prediction is that streaming music subscriptions will take over in the same way.
There is no way now, nor has there ever been, to "own" your cell phone service forever
If I "own music" it's mine to play and use as much as I want forever, all for that one time payment.
...I can't even believe I wrote this response actually. These are fundamentally different products you are trying to compare Paco. (cell phone service vs music ownership)
You either *really* don't understand or are just poking us all for fun - I suspect the latter.