WFH Experience 2020-2021

[gagarin04]

I work from home. With all the discussions recently regarding WFH for Apple employees, what do you think about working from home? Should you actually work your hours effectively, or should you be slacking and maximize your free time?

Personally, I work at Apple and I like working from home. I try to not work too hard, while making it look like I do a ton of work. The key seems to be doing work that is actually measurable and skipping everything else. My effective work day is probably two hours per day.

If I can make money while doing little if any work, why not.

What's your take on working from home?

 

[TGM85]

Personally, I work at Apple and I like working from home. I try to not work too hard, while making it look like I do a ton of work. [...] My effective work day is probably two hours per day.

If I can make money while doing little if any work, why not.

If you really work for Apple, I would delete this thread if I were you, just some friendly advice.

 

[gagarin04]

If you really work for Apple, I would delete this thread if I were you, just some friendly advice.

It's a free country. If there are repercussions, so be it. Until then I'll keep it up. Thanks for your support.

 

[diggy33]

When my company first went in to WFH I thought I would hate it. But, it only took a couple of weeks to get my routine in order, and my productivity skyrocketed. I'm not bothered by the occasional passerby who wants to stop and chat about nothing. I pick and choose the meetings that I need to attend over those that I can updates from my team members. I also took advantage of the return of my time by studying and getting some more certifications. I read an article recently about folks that are double dipping, working two full time jobs while fully remote. Its an awesome idea, and hats off to the folks that can pull it off, but that life aint for me.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I work from home. With all the discussions recently regarding WFH for Apple employees, what do you think about working from home? Should you actually work your hours effectively, or should you be slacking and maximize your free time?

Personally, I work at Apple and I like working from home. I try to not work too hard, while making it look like I do a ton of work. The key seems to be doing work that is actually measurable and skipping everything else. My effective work day is probably two hours per day.

If I can make money while doing little if any work, why not.

What's your take on working from home?

I work around 50 plus hours a week. Paid for 37. Home or the office, makes no difference. I’m there to make money for my firm and ultimately for myself.
I think your work ethic is about as far from mine as you can get.

 

[44267547]

I work from home. With all the discussions recently regarding WFH for Apple employees, what do you think about working from home? Should you actually work your hours effectively, or should you be slacking and maximize your free time?

Personally, I work at Apple and I like working from home. I try to not work too hard, while making it look like I do a ton of work. The key seems to be doing work that is actually measurable and skipping everything else. My effective work day is probably two hours per day.

If I can make money while doing little if any work, why not.

What's your take on working from home?

From some of my experiences, people that openly talk about that they are ‘employed at Apple’ and are vocal about it on forums like this, actually do not work for Apple. Apple specifically has you sign disclosures about your employment discussion on public forums. It’s totally prohibited. They’re the one employer I probably wouldn’t chance anything knowingly what you agreed upon. Just sayin.

As for working at home, there are some studies that are showing that it’s actually more productive for some people, but I would say it depends on your workload and what type of field you’re in. I prefer to have a hybrid model, where I do work from home and mobile. I like the change of pace, but I don’t think I would solely prefer to work at home by choice.

 

[0128672]

It's a free country. If there are repercussions, so be it. Until then I'll keep it up. Thanks for your support.

If you really work for Apple and don't care about repercussions, are you a corporate employee? Have you been asked to return to the office? Sounds like you don't mind talking outside your NDA, so maybe you wouldn't mind some questions.

 

[jz0309]

my 1st reaction was "you got to be kidding" ... read the below posts from OP and you know what's happening here

1. Apple Employees Increasingly Content to Criticize the Company Amid Switch Remote Working and Use of Slack​

   No one is forced to work at Apple. Don't like it, leave. All these complaints are just so stupid. Thousands of people would like to work at Apple almost for free. Throw them in jail for breaking their NDAs. What happened to good old fashioned company loyalty? Especially for something as great...
   • gagarin04
   • Post #3
   • Thursday at 7:16 AM
   • Forum: MacRumors.com News Discussion
2. G
   

   Apple Staff Complain About Plans for Return to Office Work in Letter to Tim Cook​

   Damn the workers at Apple. What matters is what's good for the company and shareholders. As long as we can extract as much labour for the lowest possible cost, I'm happy. No compromise with workers whining about working hours and/or location. Larger pockets for the shareholders and executives...
   • gagarin04
   • Post #150
   • Jun 5, 2021
   • Forum: MacRumors.com News Discussion

 

[Ethosik]

From some of my experiences, people that openly talk about that they are ‘employed at Apple’ and are vocal about it on forums like this, actually do not work for Apple. Apple specifically has you sign disclosures about your employment discussion on public forums. It’s totally prohibited. They’re the one employer I probably wouldn’t chance anything knowingly what you agreed upon. Just sayin.

As for working at home, there are some studies that are showing that it’s actually more productive for some people, but I would say it depends on your workload and what type of field you’re in. I prefer to have a hybrid model, where I do work from home and mobile. I like the change of pace, but I don’t think I would solely prefer to work at home by choice.

I am a workaholic, currently juggling three jobs and get the occasional request from a fourth company, so more like 3.5 jobs. Working from home has significantly increased my productivity not just in my main job, but my other two jobs as well. Less time in the car wasted away sitting there doing nothing and more time the businesses actually get for me to do the work.

 

[MisterSavage]

Not spending 5 hours a week commuting has been glorious.

 

[gagarin04]

I work around 50 plus hours a week. Paid for 37. Home or the office, makes no difference. I’m there to make money for my firm and ultimately for myself.
I think your work ethic is about as far from mine as you can get.

Why do 13 hours a week unpaid?

 

[Apple fanboy]

Why do 13 hours a week unpaid?

To get the work done. Because managers don’t sit and watch the clock. To progress up the career ladder. To get pay rises. Because I was born with a strong work ethic. Many of my generation were. Not many youngsters seem to have it in my opinion.

 

[gagarin04]

To get the work done. Because managers don’t sit and watch the clock. To progress up the career ladder. To get pay rises. Because I was born with a strong work ethic. Many of my generation were. Not many youngsters seem to have it in my opinion.

Isn't it a problem in itself that you have to work 50 hours to get your work done? Maybe the amount of work is too much? How is the progression up the career ladder going? What's the career mobility at the company? Does giving 13 hours a week of your life to the company really give you enough pay rises for it to be worth it?

To me it seems the company is stealing 13 hours of your life every week, while they profit from said hours.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Isn't it a problem in itself that you have to work 50 hours to get your work done? Maybe the amount of work is too much? How is the progression up the career ladder going? What's the career mobility at the company? Does giving 13 hours a week of your life to the company really give you enough pay rises for it to be worth it?

To me it seems the company is stealing 13 hours of your life every week, while they profit from said hours.

I’m second only to the business owner. Perhaps I’m just having to fill in for the lazy people who do the bare minimum, stealing from the company and just doing two hours of work a day.

 

[decafjava]

I'm in a job where some admin work can be done from home, but except for the fact I prefer my iMac to my Win 8.1 (!!) laptop - which isn't that bad - my flat is for living not working. I like the commute to a nice office in a small town outside Geneva so my view is not mainstream I guess. Plus working with students on a study abroad program is meant for f2f - we aren't in the borg hivemind world just yet.

 

[44267547]

The model to a successful career for execution is ‘work smarter, not harder’.

That’s what I live by, working smarter by maximizing my performance, but still being efficient enough where my profession is not over-extending into my personal life. If you’re truly a master of your craft in your specific career, that would make complete sense to you.

I would never work for employer where I had to put in an extra 13 hours unpaid. All you’re doing is taking more time away from your personal life, adding stress, reducing family time or what have you. Think about that for a minute, If somebody invests an extra ~13 hours a week of their life for their employer unpaid, that’s 52 hours a month, 624 hours a year. I can think of _a lot_ of areas where I would utilize valuable time with vacations as example.

When you work for any employer, the trade-off is really simple, you give them the best possible performance, in return, they continue to invest in you with training and pay raises through your career. If one of those two pieces are missing, then somebody’s doing something wrong or doesn’t understand a rudimentary business model.

 

[Madhatter32]

Why do 13 hours a week unpaid?

People who think like this used to be called time card punchers. They would come to work and punch their time card and punch out when they leave. People who progressed up the ladder at the company were never time card punchers. They understood that any extra time worked (off the clock so to speak) was time put into their careers and not wasted time. This work ethic has changed and it is unfortunate in my opinion.

Regarding work at home, it make no difference to me either way. As long as you are self motivated enough to want to advance your career, you will be willing to put the hours in. For me, saving 20 hours a week in my commute is time saved doing something else. On the other hand, some group collaborations benefit from personal interaction. Probably a balance would would best for most people.

 

[Apple fanboy]

The model to a successful career for execution is ‘work smarter, not harder’.

That’s what I live by, working smarter by maximizing my performance, but still being efficient enough where my profession is not over-extending into my personal life. If you’re truly a master of your craft in your specific career, that would make complete sense to you.

I would never work for employer where I had to put in an extra 13 hours unpaid. All you’re doing is taking more time away from your personal life, adding stress, reducing family time or what have you. Think about that for a minute, If somebody invests an extra ~13 hours a week of their life for their employer unpaid, that’s 52 hours a month, 624 hours a year. I can think of _a lot_ of areas where I would utilize valuable time with vacations as example.

When you work for any employer, the trade-off is really simple, you give them the best possible performance, in return, they continue to invest in you with training and pay raises through your career. If one of those two pieces are missing, then somebody’s doing something wrong or doesn’t understand a rudimentary business model.

But in the private sector, in the U.K. at least most management jobs work this way. Sure there are the time card punchers as @Madhatter32 so correctly puts it, but they are not moving on from their current positions.

 

[Expos of 1969]

But in the private sector, in the U.K. at least most management jobs work this way. Sure there are the time card punchers as @Madhatter32 so correctly puts it, but they are not moving on from their current positions.

And it is wrong. Try telling your employer that from now on you will be working 24 hours a week but expect to be paid for 37. Some unpaid overtime due to emergencies etc. is fine but to freely give 13 free hours every week is crazy. But the system will not change until enough people refuse to do it.

 

[Apple fanboy]

And it is wrong. Try telling your employer that from now on you will be working 24 hours a week but expect to be paid for 37. Some unpaid overtime due to emergencies etc. is fine but to freely give 13 free hours every week is crazy. But the system will not change until enough people refuse to do it.

Plenty refuse to do it. But I work hard not because my boss says I have to. But because I want to see the firm succeed, to secure my future and a future for my colleagues (well some of them!). It’s just the way I’m wired. I’m not a clock watcher.

 

[Expos of 1969]

Plenty refuse to do it. But I work hard not because my boss says I have to. But because I want to see the firm succeed, to secure my future and a future for my colleagues (well some of them!). It’s just the way I’m wired. I’m not a clock watcher.

As number 2 and a key resource, perhaps you should be in on profit sharing, stock options etc. Then your extra work really would have tangible financial results. I admire your dedication but it should be a two way street.

 

[44267547]

And it is wrong. Try telling your employer that from now on you will be working 24 hours a week but expect to be paid for 37. Some unpaid overtime due to emergencies etc. is fine but to freely give 13 free hours every week is crazy. But the system will not change until enough people refuse to do it.

Totally agree here.

I won’t take credit for this quote, but somebody once told me, “If you’re good at something, you never work for free.”

I have no problem working additional hours if needed, but I expect to be compensated for my services, especially if it’s a special skill set that I acquire. By no means, would I ever put in any time for any employer for free. The trade-off is, the work that needs to be completed should be compensated to the employee for the time provided.

I appreciate those who have due diligence with their work and are willing to step up where they need to. But if I’m working over my allotted time, there better be a mutual agreement between the employer and employee where wage compensation is an absolute minimum for additional hours served.

 

[Apple fanboy]

As number 2 and a key resource, perhaps you should be in on profit sharing, stock options etc. Then your extra work really would have tangible financial results. I admire your dedication but it should be a two way street.

Yes we have a profit share. Last year was a very good year.

 

[Expos of 1969]

Totally agree here.

I won’t take credit for this quote, but somebody once told me, “If you’re good at something, you never work for free.”

I have no problem working additional hours if needed, but I expect to be compensated for my services, especially if it’s a special skill set that I acquire. By no means, would I ever put any time for any employer for free. The trade-off is, the work that needs to be completed should be compensated to the employee for the time provided.

I appreciate those who have due diligence with their work and are willing to step up where they need to. But if I’m working over my allotted time, there better be a mutual agreement between the employer and employee compensation is an absolute minimum for additional hours.

Agree. I worked in management in the public service and had a few bosses over the years who were workaholics. I did not care that they seemed to not have much outside work life and time for their families, but when a workaholic expects those reporting to him or her to be workaholics, that is where I drew the line. They fail to see that the system thrives on their weakness and happily sucks them dry.

 

[Expos of 1969]

Yes we have a profit share. Last year was a very good year.

Do you have a bigger % than those who do not freely work unpaid overtime?