What about this list: Apple mistakes

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by Sydde, Jan 22, 2010.

  1. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    Anyone see this list on Timesonline? Care to comment?

    When Apple Gets It Wrong

    Some of his list seems off the mark to me.
     
  2. steve2112 macrumors 68040

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    I don't know, I tend to agree with most of his selections. The last one, the waste basket/trash thing, was a bit picky, but I didn't have a problem with most of them.
     
  3. MisterMe macrumors G4

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    A worthless post with a worthless link. One man publishes his pet peeves. Another man agrees with him and wants to visit them upon us. I am perfectly capable of making my own list. I am sure that most Apple customers are as capable. For those who are not, enjoy.
     
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    I miss the Wastebasket :(

    At one point I edited my Trash to be Wastebasket again :D
     
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    Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7D11 Safari/528.16)

    I'd have to disagree with most of what was written



    yeah the round mouse and g4 cube were rare apple missteps but seriously the waste basket/trash issue?
     
  6. ClassicII macrumors 6502

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    Even though I have both a Cube and a TAM, the faults he mentioned about them are true.

    I would have to agree with the rest of the article especially the firewire part. That really pissed me off, but I know I am not the only one that feels that way.
     
  7. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    Is that really the best they could do?

    If only everyone else could make Apple's "mistakes."
     
  8. roadbloc macrumors G3

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    I agree with all of them except 3, firewire is rather useful.

    But heigh-ho... everyone makes mistakes. Even Microsoft.... (Zune, Vista, Windows Live Search, Office 2007).

    Oh yeah, and number 10 isn't really a problem in my mind, I think they couldn't think of anymore.
     
  9. SteveG4Cube macrumors 6502

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    #1 - OSX had a public beta for $29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Public_Beta
    Those of use who were early adopters dual booted and still ran OS9 for real work until around 10.2, anyone who "ruined" their computer by putting 10.0 on it had no business switching that early.

    #2 - You can buy an HDMI adapter for the mini DVI or displayport connections that pretty much every Mac has shipped with for several years.

    #3 - The only machines lacking FW are the base Macbook and the Air. Both of which can be justified easily. Even the base Mini has FW800, which works fine with older FW400 devices with a cheap 400-800 cable. And they changed the iPod to USB to be able to sell them to Windows users, plain and simple.

    #4 - I've never owned an :apple:TV, so I can't comment other than to say this was an experimental project for Apple to test the waters, I don't think they intend it to appeal to everyone.

    #5 - I still have my Cube and it's still my favorite machine ever. My case never cracked, there were tons of upgrades for them, it was compact, didn't take up valuable space like a full size tower yet gave me the option of a larger screen than my previous iMac G3. Again, just Apple thinking outside the box, not gonna appeal to everyone, but for those that owned one, it's a special machine.

    #6 - Love it or hate it, the TAM holds alot of historical significance and is a sought after collector item. And it wasn't hard to get OSX running on unsupported machines.

    #7 - I loved my puck mouse, it was compact and ergonomic.

    #8 - Seriously? take a Firewire cable, plug it into two Macs, and transfer data in FW target mode. Try that with a PC (especially 10 years ago). So being ahead of the curve on ditching obsolete things like a floppy disc is a bad thing?

    #9 - They mis-read the market, and adjusted their price accordingly. Would you have preferred they kept the price sky high? The people who whined about paying the Apple tax to have the first iPhone are the same people who tossed their first gen. phones and paid a non-subsidized price to get the 3G the day it was released.

    #10 - Again, Seriously? Trash is still more representative of where stuff is going than "recycle bin". If it really bothers you that much, you can rename it.
     
  10. t0mat0 macrumors 603

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    Exactly. As a recent article here - http://www.macworld.com/article/145846/2010/01/analystquestions.html
    seems to bring up much better points.

    I don't see nearly any of the 10 complaints being relevant now:

    1) Grumbling about OS 10.1 The launch of OS 10.0 , a decade ago (Cheetah was September 200 according to wiki)

    2) Lack of HDMI. Easily in expensively sorted by a minidisplayport to HDMI cable. Apple has its own standards, and it aint HDMI.

    3) FW - Anyone with a FW disk will see it'll also have USB. Get a FW cable...

    4)ATV - They've said it's a hobby. We will likely see it come out from that position in 2010.

    5) Ah yes, complaining about something from a decade ago - The G4 Cube

    6) 20th Anniversary Macintosh. Also something from >10 years ago.
    7) Round Mouse. Launched 12 years ago.

    8) ? USB, FW, and soon USB3/Light Peak. I'm damned happy SCSI and floppies bit the dust.

    9) iPhone update. So the net cost was $100 for being ahead of others in buying. boohoo. I'd imagine the first people buying an iMac, or tablet will have issues. Same with many products (Palm Pre's hardware issues, Nexus One...)

    10) Renaming the waste basket.
     
  11. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    Just to add to one of the points above . . . interesting how in the "recycle bin" nothing actually gets recycled. Once it's emptied it disappears. Another dumb naming convention.

    Trash is trash. Is that politically incorrect or something?

    Even in good old System 7 it was called "Trash."

    And really, the G4 Cube brought us the Mini.

    The 20th anniversary Mac was a collector's item. And priced as such.

    I love it when the industry pundits (the ones who *aren't* in love with Apple - yes, they do exist) adopt a mock pretense of "fairness" and compile a list of Apple's "mistakes." Apparently, if there's a list for Microsoft it's required that one be made for Apple. Whatever. What the list usually ends up looking like, however, is a set of innovations whose time hasn't come, which are merely forerunners for runaway hits that Apple introduces later. And there are the usual complaints of Apple leaving certain technologies behind, etc. I'm still waiting for optical drives to get yanked. It can't come soon enough.
     
  12. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    Am I the only one who finds it funny that so many apple fans get all worked up over a list which of the most part is true. When you consinder that list over the number of years it covers it really is not that bad.

    I feel Apple dump the floppy way to early. Not that we could not see the end of days for it but because at the time of the floppy being dump there was no working alternative for it. CD burners and blank cds were very expensive, Flash drives did not exist and at the time you could not put attachments in email and even when you could put attachments in email this was the days of dial up and down load speeds were at 10 mins a meg so emailing was not very effective yet.

    Hockey puck mouse most people agree it was a piece of crap and painful to use.

    I think the wastebasket thing was just being nit picky and something funny to thrown in. Hell it look like the author had to look for something stupid he could put in.

    ATV is something just not dealt with

    The cube was over priced and under powered. Need I say more.
     
  13. Disc Golfer macrumors 6502a

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    For the sake of bickering, it is the drive space which is being recycled. It's not as if you lose storage space whenever you empty the bin/trash/recycle/compost/whatever.
     
  14. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    I figured that might be a possibility. You're right.

    It's not bickering, it's being specific. ;)
     
  15. FX120 macrumors 65816

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    Where is the iPod HiFi and that $100 leather iPod case?
     
  16. Sydde thread starter macrumors 68020

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    "Cruft" is a good name for the Trash. "Toss Cruft".
     
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    Cruft?

    Is that a real word? Never heard of it.
     
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    Hey, stay off the HiFi's case - yeah it's overpriced by at least $100, but damn if it isn't cool!
     
  20. FX120 macrumors 65816

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    If you say so...

    Personally I think it was a heavy, large, cumbersome, expensive piece of not-so-good-sounding audio gear that had no place in the market.
     
  21. mysterytramp macrumors 65816

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    It's like trash, only embiggened.

    Getting back to the main thread, what's the point here? Apple made some mistakes so we're sure the tablet will be a big flop? Who cares?

    There have been some mighty, mighty big mistakes by computing companies over the years, and I'm not sure any of these ones from Apple would reach the top 10. Remember the PC jr? Actimates? Those are some face in the palm mistakes.

    mt
     
  22. quagmire macrumors 603

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    Just to correct, original iPhone users were allowed to get the 3G subsidized.

    To make it more accurate, it is the 3G owners who whined because they were in their 2 year contract and couldn't get the 3GS for the subsidized price.
     
  23. maflynn Moderator

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    I shouldn't have been drinking my coffee reading this. I now need to clean my monitor :p
     
  24. miles01110 macrumors Core

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    It's only a convention if everybody does it. "Recycle Bin" is therefore not conventional by any means.
     
  25. MisterMe macrumors G4

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    That's not true. By your standard, nothing is a convention. A more reasonable standard is that a convention requires a critical mass. By any measure, the majority of computers on Earth run Windows. "Recycle Bin" has the critical mass to qualify as a convention. LTD is correct. Because it is a dumb name, "Recycle Bin" is an example of a dumb naming convention.

    Another dumb Windows convention. Logic dictates that printers that can be accessed exclusively over the network are network printers. Not so in Windows. Windows considers IP-printers to be "local" printers.
     

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