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With my old G3 tower, I was able to upgrade or add:
- RAM
- Hard drive (twice)
- processor
- Optical drive
- SCSI card
- and, of course, the monitor (twice).

... and as a result, the machine lasted 9 years as my only computer.
With my iMac, I can only do 1 of those 6 things.
How long will this iMac last? My guess is less than 9 years.

In my opinion, this is the worst flaw in Apple's Mac lineup, and it's been a problem for several years now. There's no upgradable computer for less than $2300. Sad.

and that is why the cheap ones aren't upgradeable, they do need to make a profit :p

Is not what you are looking for, at just about the price point you want, already being produced by Apple? What's wrong with this one:

Mac Pro--One 2.8GHZ Quad-Core Intel Xeon $2299


good compromoise for everyone involved.

That one imac has a 3.06 ghz processor. That doesn't seem slower to me...

the FSB has improved a bit, but is still ****.
I was just looking and the base mac pro is only a $100 more than 3.06 imac

EXACTLY, just buy a cheap display(and asif the iMac one isnt) until the bank account refills :p
 
More powerful processor(s), faster non-laptop components, better optical drive(s), expansion slot(s), better (non-integrated) graphics, choice of monitor and much easier owner serviceability.

If they came out with a mini macpro with one quad core CPU, removable PCI express 2 graphics card, at least one PCI-e 4/8x expansion slot and 2/4 memory slots for around $2000 I'd buy one.

Like this?

http://store.apple.com/us/product/FA356LL/A

Or you can get the current model in the education store for $2,149. Seems like a good deal to me.

Hickman
 
I don't know about Lord Zedd, but personally I like do buy brand new and not 2nd hand and/or refurbished products. Most people would expect an xMac mini-tower at $1000, not $2000, as $2000 is already very expensive for a desktop computer.

$2000 for a discontinued *and* refurbished product? You got be s h i t t i n g me.
 
I like the fact I can swap out hard-drives easily with a midtower. I've had so many HDs go bad in my lifetime, the image of doing surgery on an iMac to replace one sucks.

The other main thing is upgradeable discrete graphics.
 
Desktop parts tend to be a lot cheaper than laptop components, so it's very feasible to have a $1500 computer with a 3Ghz processor and some fancy graphics card. Unfortunately for anyone who thinks that sounds good, there is no price point for it. $2000 is too close to the pro, and too expensive for the products mentioned. $1500 is sitting right in iMac territory. At the current price points, introducing another product wouldn't make sense as part of a unified product line that Apple sticks so strictly to.
 
Desktop parts tend to be a lot cheaper than laptop components, so it's very feasible to have a $1500 computer with a 3Ghz processor and some fancy graphics card. Unfortunately for anyone who thinks that sounds good, there is no price point for it. $2000 is too close to the pro, and too expensive for the products mentioned. $1500 is sitting right in iMac territory. At the current price points, introducing another product wouldn't make sense as part of a unified product line that Apple sticks so strictly to.

you have a great point. there isnt really a place for it now that i think about it.
unless, they lower the cost of the imac and make room for it. or eliminate the mini. hmmm....
 
Drop the mini and price it from $699-$1399. Use only Core i7 quads and re-introduce the old Quadra moniker.
 
With my old G3 tower, I was able to upgrade or add:
- RAM
- Hard drive (twice)
- processor
- Optical drive
- SCSI card
- and, of course, the monitor (twice).

... and as a result, the machine lasted 9 years as my only computer.
With my iMac, I can only do 1 of those 6 things.
How long will this iMac last? My guess is less than 9 years.

In my opinion, this is the worst flaw in Apple's Mac lineup, and it's been a problem for several years now. There's no upgradable computer for less than $2300. Sad.

I think you might have just answered the question "why does apple refuse to make a mid-tower computer?"

Why give people the option to upgrade parts and keep them from coming back for a new system for so many years? It's one of the reasons apple makes so much money with such little market share ;)
 
I think you might have just answered the question "why does apple refuse to make a mid-tower computer?"

They already make one, its called the MacPro with a single quad-core CPU. $2300 is still a good deal considering the cost of the individual components and you're still getting a very fast computer.
 
I think you might have just answered the question "why does apple refuse to make a mid-tower computer?"

Why give people the option to upgrade parts and keep them from coming back for a new system for so many years? It's one of the reasons apple makes so much money with such little market share ;)



Its too bad they don't see the value of selling an upgradable desktop and the upgrades (at a slight premium, because its from Apple). They could even offer an installation service at an apple store (for a small fee..).....
 
I would say the advantage would be that they could choose the latest and greatest video cards.

But we all know thats not true.

Unless you count 3 outdated overpriced video cards at a time a good selection.
 
I think from here on in, the economy will override Apple's wishes. Apple has sold many machines recently to a market that was willing to pay the price. Now that these customers have bought their machines, and the software can do everything that they could hope for. Few in this camp need to upgrade - especially in this economy.

Apple will be forced to grab potential sales from the Windows switcher camp because it represents an untapped market. Many of these Windows users do not want an "all in one" iMac, they want upgradability, for a price significantly less than a Mac Pro. They know they don't need the power of a Mac Pro and are not willing to pay more money than they wish to spend.

Apple's stock price indicates weakness and is poised for a significant drop because savvy investors see that the growth period for personal computers is over; and Apple's high priced offerings have little chance of continued growth in a deteriorating economy.

Apple will have to offer something to spur additional sales. The Mid Mac Tower would be such a product.

Mike
 
Apple's stock price indicates weakness and is poised for a significant drop because savvy investors see that the growth period for personal computers is over; and Apple's high priced offerings have little chance of continued growth in a deteriorating economy.

Is this circa 2001?

Same argument that's been made many many times about apple...

Economy was bad last quarter but they made more money than ever in its history

Apple stock price has never represented their unit sales numbers
 
Is this circa 2001?

Same argument that's been made many many times about apple...

Economy was bad last quarter but they made more money than ever in its history

Apple stock price has never represented their unit sales numbers

Not only that, but on at least the release of the iPhone and the iPhone 3G, Apple's stock dropped. I think the past half year proves that almost no one in the stock market has any idea what they are doing.

None of this means I don't want a reasonably priced ($1000 or so) Apple tower. :(
 
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