I'm guessing and hoping it will be early December. I'm waiting for a new Thunderbolt display, and I'm guessing Mini's and non-retina MBP's will be available as well. Obviously there is not as many customers as last month's release, but I still believe to capture the Christmas market, they'll want to get them out as early as possible. Even if it's a silent refresh, I would think they will all come out on the same date? Is there a day of the week that Apple often makes silent refreshes? Do you think they will have an event, and how long ahead of time do they normally schedule for a smaller event? Is there common timing for Apple's prior December releases? I know there has been many threads on this subject for the whole year ever since Tim Cook announced Power Users would get some love in 2013, but now that it is very close to the date of release, I thought, what better speculation might anyone have to target a specific date in December when a couple of very long overdue products will finally get an update? I thought the Pro crowd would likely know better? I want Christmas to come early!