HomeKit What are the names for HomeKit 2700k,3000k light temps?

[x-evil-x]

it would be nice to know the names of certain color temps. You can say turn kitchen to white or red,blue, fuchsia etc.... but what is the list of names for whites? I’d like to know what 2700k is 3000k, 4100k, 5000 and 8000.
Does anybody have a list of all the colors Siri supports? I just figured out fuchsia is a better pink jusy thinking of color names but no idea about whites.

 

[LiveM]

This is everything, sorry:

https://www.colorhexa.com/color-names

Colour temperature is inherently different to hue.

 

[Arran]

it would be nice to know the names of certain color temps. You can say turn kitchen to white or red,blue, fuchsia etc.... but what is the list of names for whites? I’d like to know what 2700k is 3000k, 4100k, 5000 and 8000.
Does anybody have a list of all the colors Siri supports? I just figured out fuchsia is a better pink jusy thinking of color names but no idea about whites.

For everyday lighting I use:
White (a cold white)
Halogen (crisp, but not cold white)
Peach (warm and bright)
Champagne (a bit warmer and still bright)
Topaz (warm and dimmer)
Flourescent (colder than just “white” on its own)
Incandescent (warm and orangey)
Candle (darker/warmer than incandescent)

 

[Arran]

Just discovered you can ask Siri what color a light is and she’ll tell you the name. Cool.

 

[waw74]

For everyday lighting I use:
White (a cold white)....

Thanks for that list.
I'd seen halogen, and use "candlelight" fairly often

most of the time, i use 2 scenes "warm white" and "daylight" for all the lights.
set the lights up in the Hue app,
then when you create the scene and add the lights in the home app, they pull their current state into the scene.

sadly, that leads to a multi step process sometimes
"warm white" then "turn off all lights" then "turn on the couch lamp"
to get one light on in the proper color.

 

[x-evil-x]

Just discovered you can ask Siri what color a light is and she’ll tell you the name. Cool.

pretty cool didn't know that
[doublepost=1545219020][/doublepost]I just ended up making a scene for what I want to call each color temp for each light or sets of lights and works good. I have basically a hundred scenes now but its ok.

 

[HalfNelson]

This topic is so frustrating. I want to set my lights specifically to 6500k but I have absolutely no way of doing that or even knowing if I land on that, because there are 0 labels on anything in these apps. I’m also a bit color blind so if I want to specifically choose red, I have to guess, because there is nothing labeled red in the home app.

 

[x-evil-x]

This topic is so frustrating. I want to set my lights specifically to 6500k but I have absolutely no way of doing that or even knowing if I land on that, because there are 0 labels on anything in these apps. I’m also a bit color blind so if I want to specifically choose red, I have to guess, because there is nothing labeled red in the home app.

yea it is pretty frustrating HomeKit or hue cant just write in the actual color temp code for the bulbs so you can select them without guessing at it.
Only way I know the color temps was when I had the wink hub and they have a color temp wheel you can select. no idea why this isn't an option somewhere. Its the most common way to shop for lightbulbs is the temp color.

 

[waw74]

if you have a bit of basic knowledge about HTTP requests, and the phrase "PUT a JSON message to a web server" doesn't confuse or frighten you too much, the Hue API is available, and you can easily make an interface to set color.

You can set the color using the API, and then when you record a scene in homekit it should pull in the current setting. makes it simple to record scenes with the color temp you want.

 

[x-evil-x]

if you have a bit of basic knowledge about HTTP requests, and the phrase "PUT a JSON message to a web server" doesn't confuse or frighten you too much, the Hue API is available, and you can easily make an interface to set color.

You can set the color using the API, and then when you record a scene in homekit it should pull in the current setting. makes it simple to record scenes with the color temp you want.

I can follow a video or tutorial but everything you said right there sounds confusing to mess around with.

 

[Phil77354]

This is an interesting question, although I'm wondering if it is even possible for HomeKit or Siri to specify a LED bulb color temperature since different manufacturer bulbs will have different capabilities and perhaps different ways to control the LED hue and color temp.

For example, Philips Hue has various types of bulbs - 'white' (fixed color temp, 2700K, referred to as 'soft white' or 'warm white); white ambiance (color temp controllable between 2200K-6500K, 'warm white' to 'cool daylight'); and finally white and color ambiance (color temp controllable between 2000K-6500K plus "16 million colors").

Hue bulbs have the ability to control color temp and color using their own app which has several ways to vary the bulb appearance depending upon which type of Hue bulb you are controlling. The control does not tell you what the color temp is in degK or give you the ability to specify that as far as I know. But you know that the bulb is 6500K when it is at the 'brightest' setting. I would expect that every bulb manufacturer has their own variation on this if you use their own app.

What you are asking for, if you desire the ability to be very specific in how the temperature (& presumably color) is controlled for each bulb, sounds to me like professional level lighting control. There are probably products and apps that have that ability, but consumer grade bulbs using HomeKit or the Home app are probably not going to have so much flexibility and controllability.

 

[x-evil-x]

This is an interesting question, although I'm wondering if it is even possible for HomeKit or Siri to specify a LED bulb color temperature since different manufacturer bulbs will have different capabilities and perhaps different ways to control the LED hue and color temp.

For example, Philips Hue has various types of bulbs - 'white' (fixed color temp, 2700K, referred to as 'soft white' or 'warm white); white ambiance (color temp controllable between 2200K-6500K, 'warm white' to 'cool daylight'); and finally white and color ambiance (color temp controllable between 2000K-6500K plus "16 million colors").

Hue bulbs have the ability to control color temp and color using their own app which has several ways to vary the bulb appearance depending upon which type of Hue bulb you are controlling. The control does not tell you what the color temp is in degK or give you the ability to specify that as far as I know. But you know that the bulb is 6500K when it is at the 'brightest' setting. I would expect that every bulb manufacturer has their own variation on this if you use their own app.

What you are asking for, if you desire the ability to be very specific in how the temperature (& presumably color) is controlled for each bulb, sounds to me like professional level lighting control. There are probably products and apps that have that ability, but consumer grade bulbs using HomeKit or the Home app are probably not going to have so much flexibility and controllability.

My wink hub had color temps. The more color standard bulbs matched very closely to a normal light bulb I had for testing. I got rid of the wink hub but I did save those colors into scenes for that specific light.
I still think with all the bulbs they have they can get pretty close to the standard 2700 or 3000k light that’s so typically bought.

 

[waw74]

This is an interesting question, although I'm wondering if it is even possible for HomeKit or Siri to specify a LED bulb color temperature since different manufacturer bulbs will have different capabilities and perhaps different ways to control the LED hue and color temp.

For example, Philips Hue has various types of bulbs - 'white' (fixed color temp, 2700K, referred to as 'soft white' or 'warm white); white ambiance (color temp controllable between 2200K-6500K, 'warm white' to 'cool daylight'); and finally white and color ambiance (color temp controllable between 2000K-6500K plus "16 million colors").

Homekit is a specification for how to transmit control info, so homekit is specifically designed to be able to specify a bulb color in a certain way, and then the device manufacturers program their devices so they know how to read the info. It doesn't matter how the bulbs talk to other things, when they talk to homekit, every device is talking the same language, no matter who makes the device.


When you move the slider it doesn't send over the network "set the bulb to this color that's kinda warmish but not too warm" it says "set bulb to 4000K." Although homekit uses Mired instead of degrees kelvin, but mired is just "1,000,000/kelvin" so it's easy to figure out. 4,000k = 250 mired
The number exists in the app, they just don't display it

in the same way that people have standardized the temperature scale, They have done the same for color temperature and color. They might use different scales like Celsius/Fahrenheit or Kelvin/Mired, but it's typically simple math to convert between. All 3 have nothing to do with apple and have existed LONG before homekit (or apple) was even a thing.​

When you say "give me a pot of water at 120F," you will always get you the same result. Although some might give you water at 49C. And some might be poor with their accuracy so your water might be between 115-125F, but it'll be close.
you can apply the same to color and color temperature, some might use hue+saturation some might use X,Y and some cheaper devices might not match exactly, but they'll all come out the same color or at least close.


the devices also talk back to the home app, so it knows what range it can set bulbs to.
If you had a white and a white+color bulb from hue, and look at their individual color temperature setting screen, they probably look slightly different. I have a variable white LED strip that does 2400-6500, and it's slightly different from the hue bulb's.

the fixed white bulb, homekit doesn't even know or care what color temperature it is, only that it can turn on/off and dim.

if you were to ask siri to set a light to 2,100K

the fixed white bulb would do nothing, since it has no color paramters​

the white ambiance would do nothing, since it's outside it's supported range​

the white/color would change, since it's supported​

but if you said "set the light to 3,000K"

again the fixed white would do nothing​

the white and white/color would both change.​

 

[srl7741]

LifX bulbs or maybe I should say the LifX App displays those numbers on a wheel, it was always nice to know or see the difference in 2745K vs 6500K etc. It helped me understand things much easier because I could see it rather than guessing or wondering. It would be nice if Hue allowed those numbers to be seen.

 

[x-evil-x]

LifX bulbs or maybe I should say the LifX App displays those numbers on a wheel, it was always nice to know or see the difference in 2745K vs 6500K etc. It helped me understand things much easier because I could see it rather than guessing or wondering. It would be nice if Hue allowed those numbers to be seen.

I have lifx strips in a few things and they can’t do whites like hue can. they always look yellow and wrong. So I never use those things for those normal temp colors.
not sure about their bulbs though. Hues strips can match the same color of their bulbs.