iPad Pro What are the risks running iPad OS beta on IPP 12.9 2nd gen now?

hajime

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Hi, What are the risks associated with trying iPad OS on a 2nd gen IPP 12.9 now? Will bugs delete existing files such as photos and other important documents? Is it easy to revert back to iOS 12 anytime I like? Thanks.
 

Shirasaki

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In short, general bugginess. That is all.
Please read this post from @gwhizkids
Sorry...I don’t mean to pick on you and your question specifically but it may sound that way. I am only doing it for your own good. Really.

There are 652 posts in this thread ahead of your question that discuss - in great detail, I might add - how this beta is working on the various contributors’ devices. They discuss the negatives and the positives of the current release and that release only. Many go to a lot of effort to describe issues and others go to a lot of trouble to assist users experiencing issues. The bottom line Is that from these myriad posts, a general theme may be discerned about the general usability of this beta. A tapestry, if you will.

However, as there are infinite individual iOS device configurations out there (device, device age, apps installed, memory available, etc...), and who knows what else, everyone’s device performs differently on these betas. Some perform flawlessly. Some perform acceptably (and that is a user-determined threshold). Others perform miserably. And it’s impossible to know where any device will land on that spectrum until a beta is actually installed and running.

My point is: no one can truly answer your question, as we don’t know how your device will perform and what your tolerance is for bugginess.

Since that is the case, the best thing (and really the only thing) for you to do, is to read some significant portion of this thread. From that - and it certainly doesn’t need to be all 652 posts - you should be about to get a sense generally as to how this beta has been performing on a variety of devices. In doing this, you will see trends emerge as to the positives and negatives of this installation.

From that, you will be able to make an educated guess as to how this might perform on your device and whether this presents a risk profile you are willing to take on.

So, what I am saying is: if you are contemplating installing this beta on your device, invest the time to do a little research of your own, rather than asking a question no one can truly answer for you about your device and your willingness to accept potential problems.

Rant over!
 

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Hi, What are the risks associated with trying iPad OS on a 2nd gen IPP 12.9 now? Will bugs delete existing files such as photos and other important documents? Is it easy to revert back to iOS 12 anytime I like? Thanks.
I highly doubt that it’ll delete your files.
 

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Backup your files to two different places
Create a separate encrypted backup
Be comfortable with DFU mode and restoring from IPSW
Do not use beta with mission critical work related tasks, unless you are willing to pay the consequences
Not every experience with beta releases is the same. Some can be horrible
 
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hajime

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Is it true that the next release will be available in two days on Monday?
 

Thomas Davie

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I installed IOS 13 beta 1 and the firmware flashed ok but it took forever to finish the setup. I thought I’d bricked an IPP. And no, I hadn’t made a backup. Got away with that one.

Made a backup after IOS 13 was up and running and just before installing beta 2. I had to restore files/apps from the backup this time.

They both seem remarkably stable.

But if I bricked my IPP, I had another iPad as a backup and I’m not depending on the, for anything critical, hence my willingness to take a risk.

Tom
 

hajime

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As far as I know, only photos and videos are stored locally in my IPP running IOS 12. Am I correct? Usually I just store pdf files in dropbox. If I don't care about those photos and videos or I have backed them up already, I can just try out the beta and if there is a problem, I can change back to IOS 12. Am I correct?

Under iPad OS, will I have a fully functional file system like those found in Mac OS/Linux/Windows. For example, a user/external storage accessible local folder for the desktop, an accessible local folder for each user and an accessible folder for all the files in the IPP? If not, what are the differences? What are the pros and cons of the file system of iPad OS?
 

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As far as I know, only photos and videos are stored locally in my IPP running IOS 12. Am I correct? Usually I just store pdf files in dropbox. If I don't care about those photos and videos or I have backed them up already, I can just try out the beta and if there is a problem, I can change back to IOS 12. Am I correct?

Under iPad OS, will I have a fully functional file system like those found in Mac OS/Linux/Windows. For example, a user/external storage accessible local folder for the desktop, an accessible local folder for each user and an accessible folder for all the files in the IPP? If not, what are the differences? What are the pros and cons of the file system of iPad OS?
As for trying out beta, you should always make a full encrypted backup no matter what using iTunes. That way, you always have something to fall back to when things go south and you don’t need to worry too much about app data.

As for the file system, no. iPadOS does not provide and will never provide a fully functional file system (who want direct access to “/etc” “/sys” “/bin” folder on a daily basis anyway?). The files app merely opens a folder or partition or mounting point for apps to dump their data and that is it, with limitations. You won’t navigate files app by going through folder structures like “/Users/default/Documents”. But you can navigate some app data or your data around just like using macOS finder.

As for the filesystem support, iPadOS won’t support NTFS or any Linux filesystem at all, and maybe won’t support encrypted HFS+ or APFS in the near future. NAS support or SMB support is there, but as of now it is still limited. It can change though.
 

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As for trying out beta, you should always make a full encrypted backup no matter what using iTunes. That way, you always have something to fall back to when things go south and you don’t need to worry too much about app data.

As for the file system, no. iPadOS does not provide and will never provide a fully functional file system (who want direct access to “/etc” “/sys” “/bin” folder on a daily basis anyway?). The files app merely opens a folder or partition or mounting point for apps to dump their data and that is it, with limitations. You won’t navigate files app by going through folder structures like “/Users/default/Documents”. But you can navigate some app data or your data around just like using macOS finder.

As for the filesystem support, iPadOS won’t support NTFS or any Linux filesystem at all, and maybe won’t support encrypted HFS+ or APFS in the near future. NAS support or SMB support is there, but as of now it is still limited. It can change though.
Thanks. How to make a full encrypted backup?

Maybe wait for the next beta before trying.
 

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hajime; I connected my IPP to my Windows box and fired up iTunes. The IPP was recognized and I just backed up to iCloud. My documents (Goodnotes, Notability, etc) were backed up to Google Drive, Dropbox, Onedrive, Amazon Drive and a couple of other cloud storage places. That's it.

The nerve wracking parts were the final setup (which seemed to take forever) and flashing the firmware with a program (3U) that I'd never heard of before.

In hindsight it was stupid of me to take a risk on a $1500 toy - but then I managed to crack the screen a few months ago and I was 'eh, why not'.

The public beta is only a few weeks off.

Tom
 

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As for trying out beta, you should always make a full encrypted backup no matter what using iTunes. That way, you always have something to fall back to when things go south and you don’t need to worry too much about app data.

As for the file system, no. iPadOS does not provide and will never provide a fully functional file system (who want direct access to “/etc” “/sys” “/bin” folder on a daily basis anyway?). The files app merely opens a folder or partition or mounting point for apps to dump their data and that is it, with limitations. You won’t navigate files app by going through folder structures like “/Users/default/Documents”. But you can navigate some app data or your data around just like using macOS finder.

As for the filesystem support, iPadOS won’t support NTFS or any Linux filesystem at all, and maybe won’t support encrypted HFS+ or APFS in the near future. NAS support or SMB support is there, but as of now it is still limited. It can change though.
I thought all Apple OS’s have moved to APFS?
 

Shirasaki

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Can we run iPad OS beta on some kind of virtual machine to experience it without risk?
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Thanks. Why we need to encrypt it?
Xcode has emulator that might work as a virtual machine. But that is about it, and it is extremely limited.

Regarding encryptions, it is the only choice to make a full user data backup, including keychain and health data.
 
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hajime

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What is the worst scenario if things go south? Bricking the IPP? Can it be recovered easily?
 

Shirasaki

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If the iPP does get bricked, you should try a DFU restore. If that does not work, try to send your device to Apple Store. I remember Apple wont do any repair if you are running pre-release software but sometimes they don’t care much. Give it a shot if things does go that bad.
 

hajime

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If the iPP does get bricked, you should try a DFU restore. If that does not work, try to send your device to Apple Store. I remember Apple wont do any repair if you are running pre-release software but sometimes they don’t care much. Give it a shot if things does go that bad.
Thanks. Let’s see if Beta 3 will be released on tomorrow.
 

Shirasaki

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Thanks. Let’s see if Beta 3 will be released on tomorrow.
I don’t think so. It is less than two weeks. I do hope they release beta 3 before independent day though. That’s a long holiday and we might need a new beta to play around while Apple staff takes their break.
 

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My guess is sometime after the 4th (maybe 2nd week of July) Apple will provide the public beta alongside beta 3.