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More things lost (not mentioned here before):

  • Ability to hold down alphabetic keys and have them repeat
  • Support of second (or third...) monitors diminished with new Full Screen mode and new Spaces
  • Spaces can no longer be set up on rectangular grid
  • Reduced functionality and accessibility of Application Expose
  • Probably new systems will not come with a reinstall DVD (yet to be seen)
  • There are reports of reduced battery life and greater memory footprint (loss of some available RAM for applications).
  • Lion Server is missing many services that were in Snow Leopard Server and some services have been reduced in features.

I fear these may be the deal breakers for many people looking to upgrade.
 
I fear these may be the deal breakers for many people looking to upgrade.

I don't think so.

Whether multiple monitors are "diminished" in this release is a perspective thing. The behaviour in Lion will matter to some people; it's hardly universal, and I'd even go so far as to say that it's not an issue for "many" people. Just a vocal minority. Multiple monitor setups are only typical in places like this, where power users congregate. The unwashed masses (generally) don't even know that's possible, or at best, use a single (external) monitor with their laptop.

Ditto reduced battery life. I'm not seeing any such thing. Neither are lots of other people. Battery life mostly depends on usage. This has not changed in Lion. As for memory footprint... I've seen lots of whining about what Activity Monitor says (usually coupled with either a misunderstanding about what its displays actually mean, or an install of Flash, which will reduce the life of any system), but so far nothing concrete (i.e., an app that someone couldn't run, or a system actually running out of memory and being unable to run something). Granted, the volume of whining may dissuade some people from upgrading.

The server bit may be a deal breaker for some. But I'd counter that with... it's a $50 upgrade. No one should be expecting enterprise-class software for that price.
 
I don't think so.

In every case it's the "power user" who is losing something. It seems to be a consistent theme in almost every move Apple has made in the past few years (basically since the iPhone made its appearance). The only nod to power users I've seen is Thunderbolt.
 
Apple TV is Apple TV and Front Row is Front Row i'm sick of this. Some one said a stupid thing and now half of the forum is running with it.
Go take a look at the history of Front Row and Apple TV. The original OS for the Apple TV was based off of Front Row along with new features. When Leopard was released, Front Row 2 reincorporated the new features introduced with the Apple TV. While Apple TV has seen updates, Front Row hasn't. I don't get how people can say that ATV isn't an evolution of Front Row.
 
More things lost (not mentioned here before):

  • Reduced functionality and accessibility of Application Expose

I swipe down with 4 fingers on my Magic Trackpad and I see all of the frontmost application's windows. What is missing and inaccessible about that?
 
Thanks for the pointer, Nuck. Looks like it's just Rosetta and Front Row basically. I have a whole bunch of DVD's that I have copied to my HD so that I can sit back and watch them using Front Row and the Apple remote that came with my iMac :eek: . Guess the laugh's on me.

Rich :cool:

There are some very cool options out there for you instead of Front Row for that type of application.

Plex is my favorite, but Boxee seems to be the more popular choice these days.
 
I swipe down with 4 fingers on my Magic Trackpad and I see all of the frontmost application's windows. What is missing and inaccessible about that?

If you are using a mouse, you can no longer just hold the mouse button down on the dock icon to see all the application windows. (Doesn't have to be frontmost app either.) And although I haven't verified it I've heard that minimized (hidden) windows don't show in Lion's Application Expose.
 
If you are using a mouse, you can no longer just hold the mouse button down on the dock icon to see all the application windows. (Doesn't have to be frontmost app either.) And although I haven't verified it I've heard that minimized (hidden) windows don't show in Lion's Application Expose.

They show up if you double tap the icon in the Dock.
 
Another one I forgot -- if you use Quick Look you used to be able to hit the arrow keys to move between items (handy for folders of images). Now you have to click back on the finder window and use the arrow keys from there.

Of course, on the other hand, the Quick Look has become more powerful, much more like the Preview Application. But we always had the Preview Application to use when we needed the extra power.

One change that hasn't happened is QuickTime X still doesn't have the functionality of QuickTime 7 Pro. How long will we need to keep QuickTime 7 Pro around and how long will Apple support it?
 
Question about adobe flash player

I have snow leopard installed on my Mac and plan on installing Lion on it (when it's finally released). I bought my Mac with flash player already on it. Does my Mac automatically update the flash player with system updates? Furthermore, would I have to reinstall flash player on my machine when I install Lion? Will I have to manually update flash player with Lion installed?
 
I have snow leopard installed on my Mac and plan on installing Lion on it (when it's finally released). I bought my Mac with flash player already on it. Does my Mac automatically update the flash player with system updates? Furthermore, would I have to reinstall flash player on my machine when I install Lion? Will I have to manually update flash player with Lion installed?

Adobe flash ( version 10.3.181.26 ) now has their own preferences pane, and updates by itself.
 

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^ checks for updates by itself. Kind of an annoying process.

Click check now button takes you to http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/

Then have to click "Player Download Center," which takes you to http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/

Then have to select your operating system and version. Then download, close browsers, install.. (that's safari. if you use firefox at least it takes you to the direct download page).

Would be nice if it were more automated or straight forward at least.
 
^ checks for updates by itself. Kind of an annoying process.

Click check now button takes you to http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/

Then have to click "Player Download Center," which takes you to http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/

Then have to select your operating system and version. Then download, close browsers, install.. (that's safari. if you use firefox at least it takes you to the direct download page).

Would be nice if it were more automated or straight forward at least.

Funny. I have had it update twice by itself. All it does is download a DMG file, but that's progress, at least it is now a preference pane, not a flash based controller on Adobe's website. They need to work on the manual check now I guess.
 
Another one I forgot -- if you use Quick Look you used to be able to hit the arrow keys to move between items (handy for folders of images). Now you have to click back on the finder window and use the arrow keys from there.

Of course, on the other hand, the Quick Look has become more powerful, much more like the Preview Application. But we always had the Preview Application to use when we needed the extra power.

One change that hasn't happened is QuickTime X still doesn't have the functionality of QuickTime 7 Pro. How long will we need to keep QuickTime 7 Pro around and how long will Apple support it?

You can still install QuickTime 7 Pro in Lion? I figured that Apple moved all those functions to QuickTime X. I wonder if this means QuickTime X is doing all the QuickTime video on webpages?

 
If you are using a mouse, you can no longer just hold the mouse button down on the dock icon to see all the application windows. (Doesn't have to be frontmost app either.) And although I haven't verified it I've heard that minimized (hidden) windows don't show in Lion's Application Expose.

They do show up in Application Exposé, when you swipe down with four fingers. At least they do for me in Safari.
 
In every case it's the "power user" who is losing something. It seems to be a consistent theme in almost every move Apple has made in the past few years (basically since the iPhone made its appearance). The only nod to power users I've seen is Thunderbolt.

Have to agree. In my experience of having used every version of OS X Tiger 10.4.11 has been the most stable and reliable version of the OS. That 10.4.11 update really optimized Tiger over the earlier versions on 10.4. Tiger may not have had all the bells an whistles that the OS has now but the attention to detail was felt when you used it. When the Leopards appeared (and the iPhone) little things stopped working or were removed.

I am sure that Lion will improve with updates but I leave you with this. Tiger 10.4.11 still boots and shutdown quicker on my PowerMac G4 than Lion or any of the Leopards did on my MacPro. Tiger is slower in other respects compared to the newer versions, but it really felt that it worked well for what it did.
 
Contextual menu:
The contextual menu function has been changed to the point that, if you're using a laptop such as the 11" MBA (or maybe any of the others too?), it no longer exists as such. The contextual menu was a way to get around the lack a second button on the pointing device. Now at least one extra step is involved to get the contextual menu to come up. If you try to put a second finger down without first lifting the one doing the pointing, it either doesn't work or is awkward and uncomfortable. The way that the contextual menu was done before Lion made a lot more sense. I think it could exist without interfering with the Lion gestures so, I hope they bring it back.

Quicktime Player:
The AV Controls has been removed from Quicktime Player. I used this to make changes to playback tempo and/or pitch. Until the AV Controls is brought back, I'll have to find an application that does these functions.

Also in Quicktime Player, the buttons which were for moving the playback status instantly to beginning and end have been removed. If the media is in the middle of playback, how can you restart back to the beginning, without having to physically scrub the status back?
 
Battery Life.
Lion has savaged my MBP battery, even though it's health is displayed as 97%
 
Contextual menu:
The contextual menu function has been changed to the point that, if you're using a laptop such as the 11" MBA (or maybe any of the others too?), it no longer exists as such. The contextual menu was a way to get around the lack a second button on the pointing device. Now at least one extra step is involved to get the contextual menu to come up. If you try to put a second finger down without first lifting the one doing the pointing, it either doesn't work or is awkward and uncomfortable. The way that the contextual menu was done before Lion made a lot more sense. I think it could exist without interfering with the Lion gestures so, I hope they bring it back.

I'm baffled by what you are saying. On both my MacBook and Magic Mouse the context menu is brought up in EXACTLY the same way in Lion as it was in Snow Leopard:

1. Trackpad: Put second finder down and click.
2. Mouse: Right click

It isn't necessary to lift the first finger from the trackpad after positioning.
 
The feature "Save As..." is also lost.

I consider versions a little bit a mess. I dont want to have multiple documents in the background being saved since I wont used them ever again.

How can I enable or show the expose on Lion using my magic mouse? I cant do the four finger gestures. Any help?
 
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