What are YOU doing to protest SOPA?

[Hellhammer]

If you're a Russian, yeah. Just like I don't think Americans should be charged with crimes if they're hacking the Russian government.

Wake up already. Basically, you are saying that a foreigner can do whatever he wants, wherever he wants. The laws are not fair unless they are applied equally. Why should a Russian be allowed to hack the US govt, but a US citizen shouldn't?

 

[eric/]

Wake up already. Basically, you are saying that a foreigner can do whatever he wants, wherever he wants. The laws are not fair unless they are applied equally. Why should a Russian be allowed to hack the US govt, but a US citizen shouldn't?

Because the Russian government doesn't care? Why would they?

 

[Hellhammer]

Because the Russian government doesn't care? Why would they?

They don't have to because it's not their problem. Their government isn't being hacked. If an American hacked the Russian govt, then they would start to care.

 

[eric/]

They don't have to because it's not their problem. Their government isn't being hacked. If an American hacked the Russian govt, then they would start to care.

Right, and would the Russian government have the authority to fly over to the US and detain an American citizen, take them back to Russia, and charge them with breaking Russian law, even though the law they broke isn't a law to be broken in the US?

 

[Hellhammer]

Right, and would the Russian government have the authority to fly over to the US and detain an American citizen, take them back to Russia, and charge them with breaking Russian law, even though the law they broke isn't a law to be broken in the US?

Lets make this very clear now. The US government did not fly to NZ. Try to get that finally.

In this case, the Russian govt wouldn't either. They would ask for the local authorities to arrest the suspect. Obviously, the local authorities can say no due to lack of evidence or political conflict for example (the US most likely wouldn't send their citizen to e.g. Afghanistan). In MegaUpload's case, the authorities agreed to arrest the owners of MU. As far as I know, none of them was a NZ citizen so that has an effect as well, they didn't have their home country covering their asses, and that was their own fault.

Lets put it this way, if I sent a bomb to White House, should I not be charged because I'm not a US citizen? Should the US just do nothing? Seriously, your nationality or location is 100% irrelevant if you commit the crime in the soil of another country. Your own country's laws are 100% irrelevant as well, only the laws of the country you committed the crime in matter.

 

[snberk103]

Right, and would the Russian government have the authority to fly over to the US and detain an American citizen, take them back to Russia, and charge them with breaking Russian law, even though the law they broke isn't a law to be broken in the US?

No-Body-Flew-Any-Where-And-Arrested-The-MU-People

Just ignoring this fact doesn't make it less true... the USA asked for Kim DotCom's arrest.... and NZ decided it was in order and sent NZ police to arrest him... I haven't really been following this case.... but I think he is still in NZ, fighting the extradition order in an NZ court. Correct me if I'm wrong.

In this hypothetical USA/Russia war-games scenario..... Russia and the USA - if they have an extradition treaty - would request the other side to make the arrest. There is then due process before the arrest is actually made. And if the arrest is even made, there is more process before the alleged criminal is actually transferred.

The USA is guilty of kidnapping other country's citizens on rare occasions... but this is not the case here. And the USA is not unique in this, before anybody gets on their high horse. All the major western countries, and the former iron-curtain countries, have probably used their spy services to nab someone they really really really wanted to talk to. It is rife with risk, with huge negative repercussions if it backfires... so it's not used much in all likelihood.

And I don't think anyone is fussing too much about any missing Iranian nuclear scientists currently.... where is outrage there?

 

[dontwalkhand]

Right, and would the Russian government have the authority to fly over to the US and detain an American citizen, take them back to Russia, and charge them with breaking Russian law, even though the law they broke isn't a law to be broken in the US?

At this point I don't care if they have authority or not, they are hacking MY country! If you were to hack my home network, I consider it trespassing as the network is in my house. The internet allows one to commita crime without physically being there. Wakeup!

 

[snberk103]

....Not go around the world arresting people.....

So in other words:

American government arresting foreign nationals in a foreign company for breaking American laws.

A New Zealand judge on Wednesday ordered Mr. Dotcom — who stands six-foot-six inches tall and weighs more than 285 lbs — to be held in custody for another month, saying the suspected Internet pirate posed a significant flight risk.

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Seems as if the New Zealand court system is still in custody of Kim Dotcom, and that it is far from certain that the US court system will get custody.

 

[Sjhonny]

If you commit a murder in a country and then move out, you can still be brought back and put under trial. Megaupload's servers were in America, therefore they were committing a crime in America, whether you currently live there or not.

The only problem with that is, that it's one way traffic. The US doesn't extradite US citizens. See the case of Richard O'Dwyer. He's getting extradited to the US because his site had a .net tld. Beside the DNS, all his servers were hosted in the Netherlands. His site's content was not illegal in the UK, nor in the Netherlands, but they might be in the US. THAT IS AN ABSURD, F*KED UP SITUATION.

 

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