Um, how long is a piece of string? It will outlast its usefulness put it that way. There is no reason to ever stop working, should last a lifetime.
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What could be the Lifespan of 15" rMBP Model with Dedicated Graphics Card ?
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Um, how long is a piece of string? It will outlast its usefulness put it that way. There is no reason to ever stop working, should last a lifetime.
But it will be an average estimate from people who have little knowledge of the reality - no individuals do unless privy to the actual failure rates.
Another word for an "average estimate" - a guess. No problem with that, just as long as you know what you are getting.
Why are a couple of people then reporting Failure of the NVIDIA Graphics card of 750M and Earlier. Have a bad experience from using a SONY VAIO earlier coming from that background...
Where'd you get that from? So far I haven't heard of anyone having a GT750M crap out on them.
I don't think you can even make an estimate until the things have been out for a few years. The primary reason for this is that we simply won't have any kind of relevant data on how the GPU's react to wear and tear over time until they've actually been subjected to some wear and teat over time.
If you want to go by previous models, it's pretty a mixed bag. On one hand the Geforce GT 8600 machines suffered from a high failure rate due to faulty manufacturing and Radeon HD 6490 and 6750 also seem to be suffering from graphics issues for one reason or another. On the other hand the models with the GeForce 9400, 9600, 320 and 330 GPU (i.e every model in between) seem to be working just fine with no mass failures across the board.
Anecdotal evidence is also not a particularly good tool for trying to measure a problem on a larger scale and let's not forget that with some of the recent Radeon failures, a motherboard replacement hasn't always fixed it, so could also just be a software problem caused by some exotic combination of settings and circumstances.
As a personal side note I'd add that I seem to be going from one disaster to another with my macbook purchases... First I bought a mid 2007 machine that suffered from the Nvidia GPU failures and my machine was one of the failed ones, then I bought an early 2011 machine and that model also seems to suffer GPU issues. Let's hope the HP display that I just had replaced is the only thing that'll fail this year.
Some of the Veteran Gurus on some other sites are citing this example.
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Exactly even I have the same point the Late rMBP have just been out 2-3 months back how come people have started reporting the DGPU failures so soon...
The Sandy Bridge Macs with Radeon 6000M series cards suffered GPU failures because thermal paste was badly applied to the GPUs in Macs manufactured in 2011.
Since it's made in China, my best guess is that the workers were either sleeping on their job, or the factory manager underpaid them (not surprising) and so the workers did a crap job on applying thermal paste to the GPUs.
Criticisms of thermal grease application is not a new phenomenon with apple laptops. I remember reading about people staying it was poorly done back on the old G3 iBooks back in the day. Heck I reapplied the thermal compounds on a MacBook (apple's first intel based model).
True there seems to be some failures with some 2011 models, but I think that issue with the thermal grease is not as expansive and wide reaching as many people claim it is.
I'm not "offended" with your questions at all. What I'm explaining is that the opinions offered here are not useful or scientifically valid on issues like these. Trying to draw any sort of inference off of them would be a bad idea. You'll notice that several posters above are saying a similar thing. But hey, do whatever makes you happy.
How about going for something in the $1300-$1600 range, either with the 13'' model or with a refurb... keeps the financial risk lower
Honestly, no. Take a random number between 1 and 12 and it will be as good as any estimate we come up with.
Haven't heard of any serious problems with the 750M so far. Also your Vaio lasting 5-6 years seems OK to me. If $2600 every 5 years is too much then go for a cheaper model.
Probably just over 3 years before the dGPU gives out, based on historical data. Just long enough for AppleCare to expire.
Probably just over 3 years before the dGPU gives out, based on historical data. Just long enough for AppleCare to expire.
Hmmm...I have started to get a feeling based on the voices here...5 years is something which looks like a safe bet...3 years ? well...I don't know but I will be not comfortable spending so much money knowing I am only looking at a life of 3 years for the rMBP !
After 3 years you'll be looking at a battery replacement regardless... I still have an early 2009 macbook pro with discrete graphics that works just fine. New battery though. Oddly enough, the only GPU problem it had was with the shared-memory 9400m, the discrete 9600m worked fine. But it was fixed with a firmware update in 2012.
FWIW, I would say that the real driver to upgrade is not speed, thinness or even a new design - it is a new architecture.
I would dare to say that, as long as you can control your credit card, can live with more trips to the wall socket and don't mind a bit of waiting, you are likely to get a minimum of 5 years hard use out of a MBP. Abuse and rare component failures excepted.
But, if Apple announce a switch to ARM, or some amazing new organic 4D processor that makes an i7 look like a Dorito, the clock will start ticking until all developers start jumping ship on updates.
David
I would dare to say that, as long as you can control your credit card, can live with more trips to the wall socket and don't mind a bit of waiting, you are likely to get a minimum of 5 years hard use out of a MBP. Abuse and rare component failures excepted.
But, if Apple announce a switch to ARM, or some amazing new organic 4D processor that makes an i7 look like a Dorito, the clock will start ticking until all developers start jumping ship on updates.
David
That is a interesting point that you make, that even with abuse and failures with even some hard use, one can get a life of 5 Years of an rMBP right ? thats what you are saying right ? I was looking forward to get answered on this extreme possibility kind of question. Good you brought it up.
That's not what orangezorki is saying. Note the word "excepted". In other words, aside from abuse and rare component failures. No one can give you any sort of lifespan guarantee. Additionally, you can't just assume that your usage is average or moderate. Everyone thinks that their usage is average.
To be honest: You sound like you want someone else to decide for you, so you could have a scapegoat in case something goes bad.
No matter what all other people tell you from their knowledge or experience - your mileage may still vary! Noone - this includes Apple - can do mass production with a constant 100% quality rate over time. It's simply impossible.
Yes, you can get 5-7 years out of a newly purchased rMBP. You could even get 10-12. Could only be 1-2, though.
Whatever it'll eventually be - the risk is on you! The only guarantee you can get is Apple Care, which takes over the risk for exactly 3 years (for quite a hefty price tag). That's it!
Everything else is on you alone!
By now you should have heard a sufficient number of opinions to make up your mind and take a decision on your own.
Hint: If still in doubt, chances are you can't afford it. Then better go for a cheaper or refurb model (as already proposed above) or settle with a standard PC for an even lower investment = lower risk.
OP , you could just buy a cheap Windows based PC if you are worried that your Mac isn't going to last 5 years and don't have the disposable income to easily replace it after the extra warranty is over.
Macs are considered luxury products. If you can't afford to replace one after the warranty is up , you probably should be buying a cheaper alternative.
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Simple answer: Don't buy a high end brand new Mac then.
Macs are considered luxury products. If you can't afford to replace one after the warranty is up , you probably should be buying a cheaper alternative.
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Simple answer: Don't buy a high end brand new Mac then.
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I completely understand the OP concerns. I agree with the above comment that we will not really know how these machines hold up until time passes. No matter what testing Apple or any company does, they cannot test for all the real world uses.
You are safe for the first year with warranty. I believe any serious issues will arise then. If there are problems after that, you might want to by Apple Care which will cover you for another 2 years. Beyond that who knows? I don't think I would buy the first version of rMBP in the first year. But that's just me. I did purchase an early 2013 rMBP, which I consider version 2.0. Could it have problems? But so far so good.
Unless you need the latest and greatest, why not buy a used or refurbished model one or two years old. You will save a bundle and you have a couple of years of real world data.
Good luck..
You are safe for the first year with warranty. I believe any serious issues will arise then. If there are problems after that, you might want to by Apple Care which will cover you for another 2 years. Beyond that who knows? I don't think I would buy the first version of rMBP in the first year. But that's just me. I did purchase an early 2013 rMBP, which I consider version 2.0. Could it have problems? But so far so good.
Unless you need the latest and greatest, why not buy a used or refurbished model one or two years old. You will save a bundle and you have a couple of years of real world data.
Good luck..
You will get 1 yr (warranty supported)
You should get 3yrs
You might get 5yrs (any moving parts may reach the end of their life around now, fans, HDD)
If you are lucky you might get 7yrs
If you get 7yrs you will probably get 10yrs
I have an Atari console from 1977, it still works fine.
That probably answers your question with all the accuracy available with the data we have.
You should get 3yrs
You might get 5yrs (any moving parts may reach the end of their life around now, fans, HDD)
If you are lucky you might get 7yrs
If you get 7yrs you will probably get 10yrs
I have an Atari console from 1977, it still works fine.
That probably answers your question with all the accuracy available with the data we have.
2-5 years.
I love how the new Apple lineup includes ONE laptop with a dedicated GPU.
As if the FCC revoked Apple's GPU priviledges.
As if they finally realized they suck at producing laptops with graphics cards.
I couldn't agree more.. 821-2101, 820-2249, 820-2850, 820-2915 more than proved that Apple does NOT deserve them!!!
If you clean the thing out every now and then, there's no reason it shouldn't last you 3-5 years.. yet. Usually the flaws start coming out when the device is 2 years old, the retina is too new to know if its board is a dud like the ones that came before it.
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Your Atari doesn't have a BGA chip inside of it that goes up to 100c at full load in a new, non-dust-cluttered enclosure.
I love how the new Apple lineup includes ONE laptop with a dedicated GPU.
As if the FCC revoked Apple's GPU priviledges.
As if they finally realized they suck at producing laptops with graphics cards.
I couldn't agree more.. 821-2101, 820-2249, 820-2850, 820-2915 more than proved that Apple does NOT deserve them!!!
If you clean the thing out every now and then, there's no reason it shouldn't last you 3-5 years.. yet. Usually the flaws start coming out when the device is 2 years old, the retina is too new to know if its board is a dud like the ones that came before it.
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Your Atari doesn't have a BGA chip inside of it that goes up to 100c at full load in a new, non-dust-cluttered enclosure.
I know that but the OP has a problem with that concept.
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Your Atari doesn't have a BGA chip inside of it that goes up to 100c at full load in a new, non-dust-cluttered enclosure.
LOL, but it does have the wood-effect trim
For a Moment let me chime in to the crap that you are talking here (Making others a Scapegoat and all...) OK...If we go by what you say...that I want to make a scapegoat, yes even If I wish to...who would give a damn...and what the f * * * K can I do to anyone about this. So talk like a grown up man !!
So If someone asks question to justify the amount he is spending and how secured is his investment according to you he cannot afford it ?? So according to that theory, I guess you must have a lot of money I guess to just splurge with out gauging the value, worth on that Investment. Either you have a lot of money or soon you will have no left ! How about that for an Judgement !