What difference has 1.3 really made?

Discussion in 'MacBook' started by ZipZap, May 25, 2015.

  1. ZipZap macrumors 603

    Dec 14, 2007
    I see all those people who have or are still waiting for the 1.3 version of the rMB and I wonder why.

    Seems all they do is get the laptop and then immediately run Geekbench as some sort of validation.


    In your day to day usage what difference has the faster CPU really made?
  2. freitz macrumors member

    May 25, 2015
    Ellicott City MD
    I was wondering the same question and have come to this conclusion. After researching the forums for a little bit. The 1.3 is more power efficient because it has faster bursts and performance better in more demanding applications.

    For me personally If I were to purchase rMB it is a second machine that I am replacing a 2011 MBA for mobile lightroom and photoshop use. I need high portability and the extra bursts from the 1.3 would help with processing images.
  3. PDFierro macrumors 68040

    Sep 8, 2009
    Peace of mind, really. Plus, I occasionally rip/encode Blu-rays. It's my only computer, so I can justify maxing out the specs. But no, I don't notice a difference in day-to-day usage, but that doesn't bother me.
  4. freitz macrumors member

    May 25, 2015
    Ellicott City MD

    To the OP, if your uses need more cpu horsepower than 1.1 then a 1.3 is not going to do it. It will run everything the 1.1 runs just with quicker bursts. What types of programs are you running?
  5. mac-jam macrumors member

    May 25, 2015
    I agree with the OP.
    If the stock 1.1 can't really handle your needs and you think the 1.3 can you may be thinking wrong. I mean I think you should perhaps look at a different mac line.
  6. ZipZap thread starter macrumors 603

    Dec 14, 2007
    So that is my point. No one has said anything concrete. Bursts, picture processing. Little faster. Should you need or want that on a rMB?

    There is nothing here that can be measured to support the cost. I sure can see the need for diversity in processors on more capable devices but on the rMB its feels unnecessary.

    All of the rMBs should have been 1.3. Based upon design and price, Apple should have put the best most efficient processor in the device.


    Can you measure that need? Do you actually know what difference it makes. Is it 5 seconds faster or 120 seconds faster?

    Did Apple provide any benchmarks?

    I think this comes down to thermal efficiency. And because of that the only processor in this device should have been the 1.3.


    I would really like to see the following across all 3 CPUS:

    1) Temp at bottom
    2) Charge duration
    3) web browsing timing

    Geekbench, in my opinion seeks peeks and not everyday use.
  7. PDFierro macrumors 68040

    Sep 8, 2009
  8. Yakibomb macrumors 6502


    May 13, 2014
    Cape Town
    This has always been a pet peeve of mine when looking for an upgrade, all the benchmarks and reviews focus on the absolute peek performance of devices with only a footnote going towards everyday usage. I'd love to see a new benchmarking tool that compared everyday performance of devices!


    For someone on a tight budget (like a student) a few hundred dollars can make a huge difference
  9. magbarn macrumors 68000

    Oct 25, 2008
    I really hope you have set up a bootcamp partition so you can do handbrake using quick sync (which OS X doesn't allow), There's a small quality loss, but with quick sync my wife's rMB is pretty much as fast as rMBP 13 also using quick sync. Also, the difference between the 1.1/1.3 would be nonexistent. OTOH, if using handbrake in OS X, her rMBP is about 5 times slower in encoding blu rays than my 2012 rMBP 15.

    PS I'm not so sure if the 1.3 is even an advantage in OS X as you would be thermally limited the whole time and all three 1.1/1.2/1.3 cpu's would throttle a bit if running something that intensive for hours.
  10. jimboutilier macrumors 6502a

    Nov 10, 2008
    I typically purshase the "maxed out" version of most things I buy.

    You know you got the "best" version available, the ownership experience is usually better, it tends to extend the ownership period, and resale price is usually better. Why scrimp up front for something you'll be living with for years?

    For this particular case, nothing is upgradable and this is a low powered CPU that other implementations have had poor performance reviews on. The fastest version is going to minimize this possibility. As this is a binned CPU, the fastest version will be most power and heat effecient. And as the fastest version I will feel more productive over a longer time before I feel the need to replace it. As this is the primary machine I'll be using to make a good living, the cost to max out is very small compared to my perceived benefits over time.

    Everyone has their own resources, priorities, needs and use cases so this approach isn't the best for everyone. Most folks are very happy and well served by one of the stock offerings and I'm sure that's why they ARE the stock offerings.

    Sure there is a speed and effeciency advantage to the 1.3. The question is if the price premium is worth the benefit to you. Everyone can have a different calculation and there is no one right answer for everyone.
  11. PDFierro macrumors 68040

    Sep 8, 2009
    I wasn't aware of that. Thanks, I'll look into it. What I do right now is use MakeMKV first to rip the file directly, and then HandBrake to bring it down to a smaller size. Most of my movies are bought through iTunes, so I only do this for certain movies. It's not an everyday thing.
  12. bcaslis macrumors 68020

    Mar 11, 2008
    I agree with the other posters, the 1.3 doesn't make a noticeable real world difference. But compared to the 1.2 model, it's only a $150 upgrade, so why not for whatever performance gain there might be.

    And yes, first thing I did was run Geekbench 3. :D And it was slow until all the indexing finished.
  13. Wahlstrm macrumors 6502a


    Dec 4, 2013
    I think maybe the 1,3 is what the base should have been but Apple has entry-level prices to meet so that´s why we have cheaper versions.

    (Kinda like the 4GB soldered ram with other models, totally useless but makes the machine meet a price point)

    And if you do the math you basically get what you pay for.
    According to todays geek bench MC scores and prices on apple.com:

    1,3ghz ≈ 3,441 GB points / $1 spent
    1,1ghz ≈ 3,411 GB points / $1 spent
    1,2ghz ≈ 3,125 GB points / $1 spent

    (If you could buy 1,2ghz w/o the SSD upgrade: ≈ 3,571 GB points / $1 spent)
  14. andeschau macrumors newbie

    Apr 29, 2015
    just simple for me.

    I can afford the price of max spec, then I choose it.

    At least I don't regret not choosing the max spec, when it doesn't have the horsepower to run the program.
  15. ProwlingTiger macrumors 65816


    Jan 15, 2008
    Just looking at the title, I thought we were talking about screen real estate coming from a 13.3". That hasn't made much difference to me.
  16. BoneHead001 macrumors 6502

    Nov 13, 2013
    I could not have said it better. I completely agree.
  17. pasadena macrumors 6502a


    Sep 12, 2012
    Seattle, WA
    I initially got the 1.2/512 - although what I sure don't need is extra storage. But I didn't think the 1.3 was worth the difference in waiting.

    Then I returned it (because the battery seemed deffective), and ordered the 1.3/256 for the same price (roughly). By then, both had the exact same estimated shipping time.

    I chose the 1.3 because, as I said, I don't need the extra storage, so I'd rather spend the same money for the potential improvements from the CPU upgrade. By the time I ordered, I was starting to see quite a few user reviews of the 1.3, and it seems that it's more efficient in terms of heat and battery life. For me, that's more important than storage. Maybe 99% complaints I see regarding performances are about the base models, so that one was out for me.
  18. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6


    Aug 17, 2007
    Well said, and I completely agree.
  19. French River macrumors member

    Aug 3, 2011
    Minnesota, USA
    This. I use my computers for many years, then pass them on to relatives. If purchasing the 1.3 means my niece or nephew will experience a little more speed and effeciency and a little less frustration four years from now, it's worth the extra cost to me now.
  20. Music Lover macrumors member

    May 10, 2015
    I also got the 1.3 model, and for same reason as others in the thread. Better termial effeciency and battery lifetime being the main reasons.
    And it will also handle more firmare upgrades over the years.
  21. ZipZap thread starter macrumors 603

    Dec 14, 2007
    In some cases it makes sense. For the rMB it makes no sense. There does not appear to me to be any added value. I would even debate the need for a 512 GB drive.


    Because your money may have been better spent on AppleCare for example. $150 is not a small amount for something that will be dated in a year.


    I have seen nothing quantifiable that says those benefits are true in everyday use.
  22. KPOM macrumors G5

    Oct 23, 2010
    I used to buy CPU updates but for my last 2 Macs have not. The difference isn't enough to justify the extra expense, IMO. In percentage terms the base models get better resale value.
  23. CausticSoda macrumors 6502


    Feb 14, 2014
    Abu Dhabi

    How can you possibly "debate the need for a 512 GB drive"? For some people it will be too big, for others it will be about right and for others it will be too small. People have different needs. In my personal case, for what it is worth, when I transfer my files to it (it arrives in three days' time - finally!) I will fill about 250 Gb. That leaves more room to grow into. So, 512 Gb is just right for me. And before you say it, no, I don't want to store everything in the Cloud.
  24. dukebound85 macrumors P6


    Jul 17, 2005
    5045 feet above sea level
    This....and the premiums used to get the higher cpu is often times a significant % of the future "base machine" that would be better in all regards
  25. bcaslis macrumors 68020

    Mar 11, 2008
    In your opinion. Not mine. Why do people here assume everyone must think like them. No one is forcing you to get one, and no one can tell me what is the better way for me to spend my money.

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