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A decent rule of thumb when trying to guess the likely chances of a new technology enduring is how much stuff is going on around it. If there's radio silence then that's usually an indicator that there's really not much development going on at all, whereas the AVP has maintained a steady trickle of new features, new content and new rumours from the supply chain of future versions to be secure enough there is a long term plan there.

Few of us own one and few of us can make a good case for acquiring one at the moment, but we all will have a sweet spot, the point when the combination of increased usefulness, better comfort to wear and reduced price makes it a justifiable purchase. The first of those points we are already seeing and the second and third should hopefully come with the next hardware revision.
 
Great point. I actually put some thought into that exact thing before buying mine. I saw on my bank account the little summary said I spent $760 eating out last month and that’s my average. And that’s just crap that’s one and done. I eat it once and it’s over.

I said to myself why not just cut down on eating out and an avp will basically not be anymore on my expenses every month? And that’s what I’m doing. Money seems far more worth it on a product I’ll use everyday and love vs meals that just make me fat
Good plan
 
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Report: Apple Has Halted Production Of Its Colossally Expensive Vision Pro VR​

With wording like “the Vision Pros failure to set the word aflame” you can tell this is sensationalist bs

It’s a high end headset that was sold just in America for most of the time at a $4k price point. It sold well for what it is
 
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I just bought a very gently-used 512GB model off of eBay for less than $2500 - the announcement of the Black Magic camera is going to mean people can start creating content without having to build a custom rig.

I expect we'll see Apple deploying this or similar on the sidelines at MLS this season. I can also imagine this will provide more opportunities for concerts or live shows to be streamed or recorded.

It would not take too many events that I'd love to see to make back up that initial investment if my hunch is correct.
 
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Hell yes Kevin. And some concerts! Meta has been killing it with theirs. I watched the doja cat concert on my quest 3 recently and it was really cool. I can only imagine how much better it would’ve looked on my Vision Pro
 
With wording like “the Vision Pros failure to set the word aflame” you can tell this is sensationalist bs

It’s a high end headset that was sold just in America for most of the time at a $4k price point. It sold well for what it is
Exactly. I don't understand why people keep posting crap like this. The website cites an article from The Information that dates back to October and adds nothing new to it. It even misquotes a piece from MacRumors, claiming Apple had originally asked its manufacturer to make eight million AVPs!
 
A lot of it is well founded, but a lot of it is negative just to be negative which has happened with Apple products for as long as I can remember. The fact that it doesn’t have much in native apps and the price are incredibly valid points though and one that I’m sure Apple isn’t ignoring. At this point I look at the AVP as the Apple Lisa: expensive, high technology, and barely even noticed. The “Macintosh” to AVP is definitely coming this year or next, but like the Mac it will likely have a big bang, but still will be a bit of a niche product, because despite being priced more affordable, still will be far pricier than other things out there. Still when that day comes, I suspect I’ll buy it.
 
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At this point I look at the AVP as the Apple Lisa: expensive, high technology, and barely even noticed. The “Macintosh” to AVP is definitely coming this year or next, but like the Mac it will likely have a big bang, but still will be a bit of a niche product, because despite being priced more affordable, still will be far pricier than other things out there. Still when that day comes, I suspect I’ll buy it.
This crossed my mind the other day and I share your viewpoint with it being like the Apple Lisa. The general sentiment seems to be people want it at that sweet spot price point.
 
Exactly. I don't understand why people keep posting crap like this. The website cites an article from The Information that dates back to October and adds nothing new to it. It even misquotes a piece from MacRumors, claiming Apple had originally asked its manufacturer to make eight million AVPs!

There's no misquote. The 8 million was, as MR reported, the figure for the AVP: "Moreover, Apple has purportedly suspended work on the original second-generation Vision Pro for at least a year to focus on developing a lower-cost headset. Interestingly, Apple told suppliers to prepare to build four million low-cost headsets over the entire lifespan of the future product. This is half the total number of Vision Pros that Apple told suppliers to produce."

 
There's no misquote. The 8 million was, as MR reported, the figure for the AVP: "Moreover, Apple has purportedly suspended work on the original second-generation Vision Pro for at least a year to focus on developing a lower-cost headset. Interestingly, Apple told suppliers to prepare to build four million low-cost headsets over the entire lifespan of the future product. This is half the total number of Vision Pros that Apple told suppliers to produce."

The MacRumors piece, which cited the October article from The Information, was poorly written, and the latter wasn't as clear as it should have been. From The Information article:

"Apple has told at least one supplier to expect to produce enough components for 4 million units over the entire lifespan of the cheaper model, which is internally code-named N109, according to one person involved in the Vision Pro supply chain. It previously told this supplier to expect to produce enough components for 8 million Vision Pros over its entire lifespan, though it made that estimate before the product launched."

And here's what MacRumors said:

"Moreover, Apple has purportedly suspended work on the original second-generation Vision Pro for at least a year to focus on developing a lower-cost headset. Interestingly, Apple told suppliers to prepare to build four million low-cost headsets over the entire lifespan of the future product. This is half the total number of Vision Pros that Apple told suppliers to produce, suggesting that sales expectations are even lower for the cheaper headset."

The key difference is that The Information claimed Apple ordered components for 8 million AVPs over its entire lifespan, which would include the original headset plus any future versions, whether less expensive, more capable, or both. As well, they said this estimate was made before the product launched, which MacRumors omitted.

It's clear the AVP hasn't met Apple's expectations, mostly because of its high price point, which Tim Cook acknowledged. But all the reporting I read before and shortly after introduction suggested Apple didn't expect to sell more than, say, 500,000 units of the original version.

Regardless, my post was in response to yours, one of many "AVP is a flop" posts here and on other sites. And here's what you said about the AVP previously: "…they (Apple) made this DOA device. It attracts attention to itself because it's the epitome of the Apple stereotype - they make underpowered status objects for rich people."

How presumptuous of you to generalize that Apple makes devices that serve as status symbols for the wealthy. That may apply to some, but I've been using Apple products since 1981, when I was hardly rich by any standard. In the real world, I and many others are using the AVP for entertainment and work.
 
I do lol when I see articles claiming that Vision Pro is colossally expensive. Yes, it’s not cheap. But my 2018 MacBook Pro was over $5k just because I upped the storage. In today’s dollars my TRS-80 with 48k RAM would be over $7k. I guess everyone has their own scale.
 
I do lol when I see articles claiming that Vision Pro is colossally expensive. Yes, it’s not cheap. But my 2018 MacBook Pro was over $5k just because I upped the storage. In today’s dollars my TRS-80 with 48k RAM would be over $7k. I guess everyone has their own scale.
Seriously. And then people freak out that Apple may have only sold 500,000 of a super expensive product in a niche category in one country most of the time and only sold in an Apple Store and I’m over here like damn that sounds pretty good.
 
To be fair, I make more fun of META glasses. Its journey to failure due to a wildly-fickle, sensitive niche of people concerned about privacy is satisfying karma for those who were hoping Google glass frames would become ubiquitous.

I view Vision Pro goggles the same way I view funny those entertainers with makeup, bulbous noses, bicycle horns and big, flappy feet.
 
This crossed my mind the other day and I share your viewpoint with it being like the Apple Lisa. The general sentiment seems to be people want it at that sweet spot price point.
I mean of course there is much more than that. And honestly I don't see how it gets "move the needle" numbers unless it gets cellular and can be subsidized. That's even if they are able to get the price all the way down to $1500 or less. I'd bet everything I own and all my money that the majority of watch sales for example are through carrier deals.

The other big thing is having wider developer support, and inevitably Apple is going to have to make physical controls besides a keyboard, touchpad, mouse, and Xbox controllers. Like a wand or something I dunno.
 
I decided to keep mine despite not using it as much as I thought I would. I never expected it to be a breakout consumer hit at the current price points. It is handy on a long flight for sure but a little bulky to carry since I travel with a bunch of camera gear.

I do feel that the enterprise applications from medicine, to training, to remote tech support is where it'll really come into it's own.

I thought I'd do more photo editing on it but so far haven't really done nearly as much of that as I thought I would.
 
never spend a lot of money on 1st gen of Apple products of anything. And don't assume that because Apple execs are highly paid, they would know market trends better than you or I. Just think back on Apple Watch days, when they first introduced AW, Apple thought they could disrupt luxury consumer accessories market with 17K gold AW watch, and consumers would be willing to upgrade that purchase every few years. They couldn't be more wrong about that and ended up scraping the whole plan after a year. Current AAP is just their guinea pig test product. Don't buy it and assume Apple will continue developing the way it's currently set up. Apple will pivot to something else, and you will be left with holding expensive paper weight.
 
There's no misquote. The 8 million was, as MR reported, the figure for the AVP:

That wasn't a yearly target but "four (not 8) million low-cost headsets over the entire lifespan of the future product." which spans multiple years.

The rumor consensus has been quite consistent that Apple will meet or come close to a predicted 500,000 sales number in 2024 as that is a constraint imposed by the Sony displays.
 
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Apple will pivot to something else, and you will be left with holding expensive paper weight.

If you know of a paper weight that can turn any room into a HD/4K/3D cinema upon which I can watch not just content from the Apple Store but content on any Blu-Ray I rip 3D, 4K or otherwise I’d happily shell out the cash. The Vision Pro is hardly a paper weight even if tomorrow Apple stops putting new 4K or 3D content out there for sale or rent.

Forget the music you can listen to, the environments you can immerse yourself in, Immersive Video content and iPad apps that devs allow to run on the device and apps written for it. The above ability alone means it will never be a paper weight. Not for me at least….
 
For the past week, I've been using mine for 12+ hours a day, writing a few thousand lines of code each day. It's a great way to focus on what you're doing, which for me is work. Like someone else said, if something happened to mine, I'd go buy another. (To be fair, though, I bought mine used on eBay for half of what Apple was asking.)

I do lol when I see articles claiming that Vision Pro is colossally expensive. Yes, it’s not cheap. But my 2018 MacBook Pro was over $5k just because I upped the storage. In today’s dollars my TRS-80 with 48k RAM would be over $7k. I guess everyone has their own scale.
Right. No one who has more brains than money is buying Apple gear. Apple stuff is for people with more money than brains, which isn't the worst place to be.

Most of my Apple notebooks were over $5k, and they last an average of close to 10 years each (often passed down to my kids over time). My 2007 (?) 15" MBP with the DVD drive replaced with a hard drive is still running -- although on its last legs. My 2013 MBP died after 9 years, but only because I messed up a solder joint while repairing its power supply.
 
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For the past week, I've been using mine for 12+ hours a day, writing a few thousand lines of code each day. It's a great way to focus on what you're doing, which for me is work. Like someone else said, if something happened to mine, I'd go buy another. (To be fair, though, I bought mine used on eBay for half of what Apple was asking.)


Right. No one who has more brains than money is buying Apple gear. Apple stuff is for people with more money than brains, which isn't the worst place to be.

Most of my Apple notebooks were over $5k, and they last an average of close to 10 years each (often passed down to my kids over time). My 2007 (?) 15" MBP with the DVD drive replaced with a hard drive is still running -- although on its last legs. My 2013 MBP died after 9 years, but only because I messed up a solder joint while repairing its power supply.
Ive pretty much always used mine for coding.
 
It looks like we finally have not only a definitive answer on if and when Apple Intelligence is coming to VisionOS but we also now know whether or not a spec bump will be required t KPI

The answer according to Mark Gurman going on the record at Bloomberg is it’s coming as a part of Vision OS 2.4 the first beta of which is expected next week and, as such, no hardware upgrade will be required.


Apple Intelligence on the Vision Pro will include standard features like the Writing Tools interface, Genmojis and the Image Playground app. It’s the first time Apple is expanding its artificial intelligence tools from the iPhone, iPad and Mac. Because the headset includes a Mac M2 chip and 16 gigabytes of memory, it’s able to support the on-device AI processing.
 
It looks like we finally have not only a definitive answer on if and when Apple Intelligence is coming to VisionOS but we also now know whether or not a spec bump will be required t KPI

The answer according to Mark Gurman going on the record at Bloomberg is it’s coming as a part of Vision OS 2.4 the first beta of which is expected next week and, as such, no hardware upgrade will be required.

Apple Intelligence is the reported update I'm least interested in, as it hasn't made much of a difference on my other devices yet. According to Gurman, Apple is also adding a new spatial app and is revamping guest mode, both welcome additions.
 
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