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Amani said:
Well, I would look at this way. If you're a serious computer user, you'll probably want to use your Pod for more than music. Backing up documents, photos, and audiobooks are a great way to use a 10, 20, or 40 gig Pod. Of course, if you just got lots of mula, you can buy the Mini for style, and an original Pod for backup and higher levels of music storage.

This is why there are multiple products to choose from. Just because YOU don't think it's useful doesn't mean EVERYONE doesn't think it's useful. Use the one you like and stop b*tching about the people who use something different.


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Doraemon said:
I am in Europe where the mini isn't available yet.
Once it is, I will buy the mini.
Why?
Because I don't need 40 gigs (not ever 10!). The iPod is not designed to be used as external firewire HD (it heats up rapidly when transferring large quantities of files). Therefore, it's for music only. And my music collection is currently 3.5 GB. Sure, I could start ripping all CDs I have. But where's the point in doing that. Where's the point in carrying your entire music collection with you all the time?

Youll entire perspective will change once you have that mini, believe me. You have to live it to learn it I know, so trust me, once youve actually owned your very own ipod, the decision on what size you need or needed is much clearer haha. Although you say you won't listen to that much music, believe me you will. I think that like the majority of people who have ipods their desire and interest in music changes and you want to get more involved and stay active with music anywhere and everywhere. I loved music before my ipod, youd think id grow tired of it, but it only makes you want more and more and different music. I can truly say that most people who have an ipod have broadened their music horizons beyond their original collection since theyve had their ipod. Making playlists are a blast, they can be 20mb or 5gb large. Like the ladies say, size matters. Make the right decision.
 
I have the 15 GB and I use it everyday. The only reason why I wouldn't get a mini is because I tend to want to have my entire library with me. :rolleyes: I've played with the mini's at the store though. I wouldn't mind having that scroll wheel on the next iPod update. As far as the color screen, I suppose it would be cool, but I don't really know why it would be necessary. ..Actually now that I think of it, it could be fun :D
 
goodwill said:
Youll entire perspective will change once you have that mini, believe me. You have to live it to learn it I know, so trust me, once youve actually owned your very own ipod, the decision on what size you need or needed is much clearer haha. Although you say you won't listen to that much music, believe me you will. I think that like the majority of people who have ipods their desire and interest in music changes and you want to get more involved and stay active with music anywhere and everywhere. I loved music before my ipod, youd think id grow tired of it, but it only makes you want more and more and different music. I can truly say that most people who have an ipod have broadened their music horizons beyond their original collection since theyve had their ipod. Making playlists are a blast, they can be 20mb or 5gb large. Like the ladies say, size matters. Make the right decision.



Do you have a Mini, goodwill?

I'm sorry, but again with the greatest respect, I understand that some people don't 'see' what others do about the iPod Mini, but that by no means suggests that those others have limited (or underestimated) musical tastes.

I think most people are capable of determining what their tastes are and how much they may or may not broaden, at least over the lifetime of an electronic device. And if they can afford to buy 100 CDs (or 1000 downloads) within a year or two, surely they can afford to upgrade once the life of the Mini starts to dwindle, or there are newer products - because that would be the only way they'd outgrow the size of their Mini in the first place, right?!

I choose to have a 40GB iPod because I choose to carry around all my music, and my collection is larger than any of the other sizes. But I don't begrudge anyone else the size of their collection or the fact that they don't want to have Madonna's entire catalogue at their finger tips - hell, maybe they'd prefer only to carry around the 'Music' they like :D - good on them. And maybe physical size (ie smallness) and looks are more important to them than the intangible size of a hard drive.

Unless you're a lady yourself, your last remark is perhaps a little harsh - most men would hate to be told that they're compensating with the size of their iPod. It's what you do with it ;)

Finally, I'm sure all but an unfortunate few people 'loved music' before they got an iPod - hence they got one in the first place. It's all about the music - which is subordinate to the iPod - the iPod is nothing but a means to an end, and people choose to get there in different ways. I say, let's deal with it, that's their prerogative, they're not stupid.



By the way goodwill, you have an exceptional birthdate! :cool:
 
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wide said:
i personally like the touch buttons above the scroll wheel more than the mini's clickwheel.
I don't have inside info or anything, but I would bet a large sum of money that the next regualr ipod will have the same controls of the mini.
wide said:
Maybe Microsoft's new offerings will force Apple to reduce the price
Microsoft isn't making a mp3 player. They are only supplying the software for them. I know what article you got this from but it was later recanted as saying it was microsoft's partners that will be making them.
Doraemon said:
The iPod is not designed to be used as external firewire HD (it heats up rapidly when transferring large quantities of files)
Although its not considered a external drive, I use mine all the time as one with out a single problem. Apple does/did have the Home directory on ipod thing going into Jag or Panther. I'm sure it will come back.

As for why its a good buy:
  1. Nice and small. I have a 15 gig and when I got my mitts on the mini I wished I had one. Only down side is my collection is bigger than 4 gig. See next below
  2. The mini is designed...marketed to teens and women. Most teens listen to the top 40. Once a song is no longer popular why do you need it? You don't and not having it on the ipod isn't a big deal. Plus, 1000 (realistically, 800 songs) is a ton of music.
  3. Women like it because it's small to fit in a purse, not heavy when putting it on the arm during workouts, and they like the colors (same goes for the teens).
The mini wasn't targeted towards someone who has a ton of music or uses it for backups. I bet 95% of the mini owners don't have a single complaint about the price nor the 1000 song limit. Being back ordered should tell you that the mini is a hit and not a poorly designed product.
 
bertagert said:
I don't have inside info or anything, but I would bet a large sum of money that the next regualr ipod will have the same controls of the mini.

I would wager you're probably right ;)

bertagert said:
As for why its a good buy:
  1. Nice and small. I have a 15 gig and when I got my mitts on the mini I wished I had one. Only down side is my collection is bigger than 4 gig. See next below
  2. The mini is designed...marketed to teens and women. Most teens listen to the top 40. Once a song is no longer popular why do you need it? You don't and not having it on the ipod isn't a big deal. Plus, 1000 (realistically, 800 songs) is a ton of music.
  3. Women like it because it's small to fit in a purse, not heavy when putting it on the arm during workouts, and they like the colors (same goes for the teens).

Hmm. I think you'll find a lot of men like it for the same reasons (especially the workout one!), and that it's not being exclusively marketed or bought by 'teens and women'. I'm neither, and I can't wait to get my hands on one, and I'd find it hard to believe I'm alone there - you're obviously a fan too (though no passing judgment on whether you're male and old either lol :)).
 
OziMac said:
Hmm. I think you'll find a lot of men like it for the same reasons (especially the workout one!), and that it's not being exclusively marketed or bought by 'teens and women'. I'm neither, and I can't wait to get my hands on one, and I'd find it hard to believe I'm alone there - you're obviously a fan too (though no passing judgment on whether you're male and old either lol :)).
Yeah, I guess you could be right in the male vs. female thing. However, those particular colors just don't seem "manly" to me (except the silver one). I'm going to stick to my guns and say women and teens.

On the other note: I am a male and no longer a teen either. I would defintely get the silver mini if it had at least a 10 gig drive. I thought it was much more comfortable in my hand plus it could slide right in the old pocket (if it didn't have that cord attached at the store it might have).

My guess is we'll be seeing the ipod morph into something more like the mini. Time will tell. In the mean time...I want the 15" powerbook to jump to 1.8ghz so i can get a new system.
 
Amani said:
Well, I would look at this way. If you're a serious computer user, you'll probably want to use your Pod for more than music. Backing up documents, photos, and audiobooks are a great way to use a 10, 20, or 40 gig Pod.

Apple advises against using the iPod for backups/hard disk.
(besides, I don't see how that sort of action qualifies someone to be a serious computer user)
 
I bought a blue mini at the Montgomery Mall grand opening (they were out of green by the time I got into the store) and I'm regretting its purchase. I thought that since I only really listen to a few playlists for days at a time, a mini would be big enough, and yet would be easier to carry, have the Click Wheel, and have the dock connector that makes a lot of the newer peripherals possible.

Well, those playlists were bigger than I thought, and 4 GB simply isn't enough. Maybe it's because my favorite listening mode is Random, and I never bought enough music before to have anything I don't want to hear on a regular basis.

Which makes me sad, because I really do love the mini's tiny design and the Click Wheel, and wanted to explore some of the peripherals my old 2nd gen 10-gigger won't work with.

Biggest disappointment of the mini, though: The old 10 GB iPod beats the mini on battery life, hands down.
 
As a person who owns both the 20GB iPod and the iPod Mini, I much prefer the mini. For all the reasons stated in the previous posts, but most importantly, if I wanted to store ALL my music in one place, I'd rather keep them all on my PB.
 
rueyeet said:
Well, those playlists were bigger than I thought, and 4 GB simply isn't enough. Maybe it's because my favorite listening mode is Random, and I never bought enough music before to have anything I don't want to hear on a regular basis.

Which makes me sad, because I really do love the mini's tiny design and the Click Wheel, and wanted to explore some of the peripherals my old 2nd gen 10-gigger won't work with.

Biggest disappointment of the mini, though: The old 10 GB iPod beats the mini on battery life, hands down.

That's a real bummer, rueyeet - hopefully WWDC may bring something to address these issues... we can only hope... :)
 
Doraemon said:
Apple advises against using the iPod for backups/hard disk.
(besides, I don't see how that sort of action qualifies someone to be a serious computer user)

Can you provide the link on that? I mean they even promote the Belkin media reader for photos on the IPod page. And outside of the iPod OS, I thought it was a FW400 HDD at its most basic level.

The iPod as HDD for serious or power users helps expand Mac use. It provides an all-in-one solution for users that need to work with files on the go. And the added bonus of having something to play some music too.

My case may be a good example. I am looking at getting a G5 desktop (PM 1.8D or the new iMac G% - if and when) to augment my PB 12" rev. B. I am thinking that a 40 to 60GB iPod will allow me to keep my work files in one place. I know of no easier or faster way to make sure that I have the files I need on both systems.
 
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