Yeah, v4 doesn't work in Firefox, or maybe you've messed something up. All I see is the top navigation, but the text is through the black bar right before the blue sky and the grey color meet.
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Ditto for me.
Everyone has posted some really good critique, and I agree with 95% of it. Also, one thing that hasn't really been mentioned: learn to value white space. Not everything has to be filled, whitespace and margins can be very powerful in design. It can really help reduce the feeling of being overwhelmed by too much copy.
On a side note: not to rabbit trail too much on the CSS vs. Tables argument, but I believe at this stage in web development, a smart developer will use a proper mixture of CSS and tables. Unfortunately, I don't think we're quite at the stage where we can rely 100% on CSS. Maybe in a few years when 95% of the internet browsing public is using "up to date" browsers, but we're not there yet.
The truth is, for consistency from browser to browser, tables can be very useful in defining the structure of the site, not just displaying data. But, a good developer will use a proper CSS stylesheet to complement this code and improve accessibility. As with most things in life, it doesn't have to be an either/or, they can coexist peacefully. 😀
Very Zen, brother. I like to use CSS/Tables combined. Don't worry what others say - just do what you please until you feel like you want to or you have to do it.
Peace.
radiantm3
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I think you misread, friend. I don't know about you, but I don't design for me, I design for clients. I don't have a problem viewing CSS designed pages, but there's still a good number of people using outdated browsers on both PCs and Macs.
If you've got a design site, that's one thing, take the risk. If you have a business, or are accepting donations, you can't exclude these people.
radiantm3
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Are you trying to say sites like Yahoo, Wired, and thousands of other css-based large-scale sites are taking a risk? You are speaking as if it were 5 years ago. Do you happen to read any blogs of some of today's leading web designers (simplebits.com, shauninman.com, duoh.veerle.com, and mezzoblue.com to name a few)? They all push CSS-based designs 100%. Anyways, CSS-based sites are easily readable even on text-based browsers from 10 years ago (unlike table-based layouts). That's the beauty of css. It even degrades to plain text because layout is separated from content.
Indeed. And as with all blogs, I take them with a grain of salt.
To each his own. It's a matter of preference for the developer.
To each his own. It's a matter of preference for the developer.