Well, I need to ask. People complain about media players from other companies not working well with Mac OS. However, consider that Windows PC users may look at the iPod with exactly the same concerns if they do not want to use iTunes to do the management and sync. They have the same limited choices as Mac users trying to use other non-Apple media players. So. . . When people say that the Zune HD does NOT work for the Mac. What exactly do they mean by this? Is the device not recognized at all by Mac OS X? Or just iTunes? If the Zune HD shows up as a USB drive, wouldn't you be able to drag and drop songs/movies into the appropriate folders in the Zune HD? Or do they have a convoluted folder structure? Are there any Mac-based applications that will let you manage media libraries and sync non-Apple devices? One that comes to mid is the MissingSync for phones. There should be one for media players/PDAs. Just wondering. . .