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isoft7

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...because they want you to spend your money, and not because they have any grand plans at creating some new professional level tableting experience?

Would you lose faith as a customer? Or would you be comfortable with it remaining simply a spec bump to produce revenue?

I mean this seriously by the way. I read so many threads on people expecting some significant platform growth because "Why else would Apple add so much processing power and RAM?" its entirely possible Apple has no such plans, they just want you to buy their new product and know adding beefy hardware is one way to convince you to upgrade.
 

HerbertDerb

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Have you looked at (talking about 12.9" here) how much mini-led monitors (for example) cost?
You basically get M1 and Ram as a bonus in 1099$
 

cupcakes2000

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...because they want you to spend your money, and not because they have any grand plans at creating some new professional level tableting experience?

Would you lose faith as a customer? Or would you be comfortable with it remaining simply a spec bump to produce revenue?

I mean this seriously by the way. I read so many threads on people expecting some significant platform growth because "Why else would Apple add so much processing power and RAM?" its entirely possible Apple has no such plans, they just want you to buy their new product and know adding beefy hardware is one way to convince you to upgrade.
What difference do apples plans make? I doubt they’re planning on not using the power themselves, but there are plenty of pro apps ready and waiting to fully utilise all this power to its maximum potential as the devs have done with each power increase in each iteration of the pro.

Everyone is so ridiculously hung up on the os. I use apps on my iPad the same as my computers. The os makes very little difference to me and my business.
 
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secretk

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What difference do apples plans make? I doubt they’re planning on not using the power themselves, but there are plenty of pro apps ready and waiting to fully utilise all this power to its maximum potential as the devs have done with each power increase in each iteration of the pro.

Everyone is so ridiculously hung up on the os. I use apps on my iPad the same as my computers. The os makes very little difference to me and my business.
I tend to see things in the middle :). Not that you have to agree with me. For me adding M1 (more power) and 16 GB (more RAM) to the iPad makes sense if both we see iPadOS improvements and app improvements. Realistically speaking I think that we need between 6 months and a year to see good pro apps that take advantage of the CPU and RAM. I base this prediction on few points:

1. Based on the past and what I have seen so far (think on when Photoshop was shown in Apple event and when it was released for general consumption/usage)
2. I am in IT business and I actually do think that IT companies still do not embrace fully the mobile first idea. Product managers and R&D still tend to think web/desktop app first and them try to fit the mobile app as much as possible with what they have so far. Now it is true that we have apps like Procreate and Lumafusion that are clearly following the mobile approach because they are only mobile but it takes quite the time for a company to come up with such an idea for an app and develop it.
3. It is really difficult for Developers to make an app that can work on 2-4 GB RAM and then on 8-16 GB. They can make it with hacks and it would be at the cost of stability and maintenance. Yes, they can open it only to 8-16 GB but then they lose money as most of the users would not have those new iPPs. So I don't see this as realistic business model.

So to go back to my point. I do not expect the pro apps to appear before end of 2021, possibility middle of 2022 next year. We are still left with the OS itself and we will see what WWDC would bring. That being said however I am also not super optimistic that WWDC would bring something unique or new. So I would not be hopeful to take advantage for that power and RAM for the next 6 months to an year.

Would this make lose faith in Apple? No because I believe that this is the process for new apps to appear anyway. I don't see how Apple can change this. And I do not have expectations for things to change before Spring 2022.
 

rui no onna

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...because they want you to spend your money, and not because they have any grand plans at creating some new professional level tableting experience?

Would you lose faith as a customer? Or would you be comfortable with it remaining simply a spec bump to produce revenue?

I mean this seriously by the way. I read so many threads on people expecting some significant platform growth because "Why else would Apple add so much processing power and RAM?" its entirely possible Apple has no such plans, they just want you to buy their new product and know adding beefy hardware is one way to convince you to upgrade.

I've always thought Apple has always been too stingy on RAM for smooth performance. Right now, I've got every single Safari tab reloading meaning I need to reset the iPad to clear the RAM.

Honestly, I feel like iPads only have sufficient RAM for a single app paradigm. In fairness, that's probably how most consumers use their iPads. One fullscreen app at a time, no multitasking with app reloads being an accepted occurrence.

I don't need to wait for a pro app that uses 8-16GB RAM. If I can smoothly switch between 4 apps that use 2+ GB each, then the extra RAM is already of benefit.
 

rui no onna

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For a $100 price hike from the previous generation.

It should be noted that the 2018 redesign + FaceID came at a $200 price hike from the 2017 models. Same 4GB RAM except on the 1TB with 6GB but that cost $400 more than 512GB.

M1/A14X is a given but the 8GB RAM sure is nice considering how stingy Apple has traditionally been with RAM. Granted, I was somewhat optimistic the next iPad Pro will get 8GB due to Air 4 A14/4GB and MacBook/Mac mini M1/8GB.
 
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Act3

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...because they want you to spend your money, and not because they have any grand plans at creating some new professional level tableting experience?

Would you lose faith as a customer? Or would you be comfortable with it remaining simply a spec bump to produce revenue?

I mean this seriously by the way. I read so many threads on people expecting some significant platform growth because "Why else would Apple add so much processing power and RAM?" its entirely possible Apple has no such plans, they just want you to buy their new product and know adding beefy hardware is one way to convince you to upgrade.

I don't see this as being any different than any other year. Faster processor and additional features. They chose not to raise the price for 11"
 
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mashinhead

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...because they want you to spend your money, and not because they have any grand plans at creating some new professional level tableting experience?

Would you lose faith as a customer? Or would you be comfortable with it remaining simply a spec bump to produce revenue?

I mean this seriously by the way. I read so many threads on people expecting some significant platform growth because "Why else would Apple add so much processing power and RAM?" its entirely possible Apple has no such plans, they just want you to buy their new product and know adding beefy hardware is one way to convince you to upgrade.

Bud, I hate to break this to you, but Apple's future is clearly in the iPad. Steve Jobs even said this when he introduced it:

"When we were an agrarian nation, all cars were trucks because that's what you needed on the farms." Cars became more popular as cities rose, and things like power steering and automatic transmission became popular.

"PCs are going to be like trucks," Jobs said. "They are still going to be around." However, he said, only "one out of x people will need them."

Now I'm not saying that change will come this year, or because of this iPad, or that it won't need more time (long or shot) to get there. But I can say it's coming. And I can say, they have been totally open about it. And I can say when you look at the history of the iPad, that's what they've been working toward, very clearly, this whole time.

So to say that A.) Apple doesn't have any grand plans to create a professional level tablet experience, is the same thing as saying you haven't been paying attention for the last 10 years. B.) That the only reason they do it is because they want you to spend your money... well that's the only reason they do everything.
 
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rui no onna

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Found another example where the extra RAM would likely help. Organizing my Gmail account using the desktop website in Safari. Page crashes after a few searches, bulk labeling, archiving and deletions.
 

mr_jomo

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OK - with the OP's hypothesis I'll not be disappointed but neither will I upgrade to the new iPad Pro 2021.

I bought my iPad Pro 2018 12.9" as a laptop replacement, which after 6+ months of experimentation ended up undoable.

That said, my iPad Pro 2018 is the perfect study tool (reading, notes etc.) aided by tablet-native software like liquidtext. Also current apps lets me handle work emails, office product reviews and feedback on the go very quickly. With sidecar my laptop productivity is even higher.

So, for all my workflows the 2018 iPad Pro is fine.

No capabilities upgrades from Apple, means not need for me to upgrade either. Once my 2018 kicks it I'll downgrade to the "Air" level, and relax my upgrade pace even further.

Even so - if Apple opens for running macOS apps on the iPad Pro (which is the minimum step-up in my view) I'll upgrade as fast as Apple.com can process my order ?.
 
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