what is a windows font similar to Hoefler Text?

Discussion in 'Design and Graphics' started by eckndu, Feb 17, 2010.

  1. eckndu macrumors member

    Jun 20, 2008
    hi, I need a windows system font that is similar to Hoefler Text.
    preferably also present in osx...

    need a system font so ppl visiting the page wont need to have to install special fonts... thanks.
  2. MisterMe macrumors G4


    Jul 17, 2002
    How about Hoefler Text?

    BTW, you don't want a system font; you want a user font. It is very bad practice to design a website that requires your visitors to use a relatively rare font like Hoefler Text. There is a mechanism for embedding fonts in webpages, but why bother? What will Hoefler Text do for your visitor that Times New can't do? Nobody visits your website to look at your typography.
  3. splitpea macrumors 6502a

    Oct 21, 2009
    Among the starlings
    Strongly agreed with MisterMe.

    The only exception I'd make would be for occasional headings, in which case SiFR with a fallback works nicely.

    The only proportional serif fonts you can depends on being installed pretty much everywhere are Times/Times New Roman and Georgia.

    BTW, do you know how to specify fallback fonts?
  4. tsd macrumors regular

    Aug 10, 2007
    Greensboro, NC
    Dude. Seriously? Why are you posting in the Design and Graphics forum if you don't think typography is INCREDIBLY important?

    eckndu, I would also recommend you look into SiFR and also the new CSS @font-face property. Lots of fonts are now licensed for @font-face embedding, and it's relatively easy to set up. There's just a little learning curve when you first get into it. I would look into Jos Buivenga's Calluna if you want a serif to embed. His free fonts are all licensed for @font-face embedding. http://www.exljbris.com
  5. opeter macrumors 65816


    Aug 5, 2007
    Slovenia, EU
    It is important, but the Web has some standard.
    If you would really like some headlines in different fonts, do it in Flash or use images.
  6. eckndu thread starter macrumors member

    Jun 20, 2008
    iweb made the title into a pic, which is nice, but when I see the site from a windows box, the font is really bad, I will look into Georgia, thanks
  7. mousouchop macrumors 6502a


    Oct 22, 2008
    New York
  8. SwiftLives macrumors 65816


    Dec 7, 2001
    Charleston, SC
    tsd - I agree typography is important. But we're not to a point yet where standards allow designers to have that kind of control over web design. And with web design, you're designing for as many browsers and OS flavors as you can, so as not to alienate viewers.

    The simplest solution would be to use a Web safe font such as Georgia or Times. An alternative would be to use it in a headline and set it as a graphic. I wouldn't recommend Flash, as that doesn't play nicely with SEO and —*not to start a war here — isn't exactly super stable right now.
  9. IanTheLesser macrumors newbie

    Aug 4, 2010
    Good news and bad news.

    The good news: any font can be embedded in a website using the @font-face directive in CSS and this syntax:
    @font-face{font-family: "Full Font Family Name";
    src: "/path/to/font"}
    The font-family font name will be the name as it appears in menus. The file you place on your site can be a ttf for Firefox, Safari, Mozilla, etc..., and you'll need a separate otf version for IE. Then you'd probably want to put the IE @font-face directive in conditional comments, which only IE will recognize (something like <!--[if IE]><style>IE specific style rules</style><[endif]-->, but don't quote me because I haven't used conditional commenting in awhile).

    The bad news: it's illegal. According to the the EULA at Hoefler and Frere-Jones (the makers of HT), usage in @font-face is not permitted without additional licensing.

    My recommendation: so far Georgia looks like the closest one, with a lighter font-weight added. You can still specify Hoefler Text for those that have it, though, by just listing it first in your comma separated list of font-families.

    Hope this helps.
  10. eponym macrumors 6502

    Jul 2, 2010
    The Google Fonts API may be what you're looking for. It's super easy to use and has a couple of faces that would probably do.
  11. lucidmedia macrumors 6502a

    Oct 13, 2008
    Wellington, New Zealand
    Agreed... also Google has partnered with TypeKit (http://typekit.com/) which is a font hosting service that takes care of a lot of the licensing issues for non-open-source fonts.

    Note that both of the above avoid the CSS font face browser incompatibilities by relying on Javascript instead.

    Actually, sIFR handles both of the above issues elegantly... sIFR uses flash as a rendering engine but is fully indexable (it has, in fact, been endorsed by Google) and fails elegantly for users who don't have flash installed or enabled. People lacking flash won't even know what they are missing: the scale, position and hierarchy of the text stays the same...
  12. ezekielrage_99 macrumors 68040


    Oct 12, 2005
    Use Georgia because it's web safe and available on Mac, Window$ and Linux... Problem solved :cool:

    Seriously I didn't think it would be that complicated...

    BTW CSS3 and other Java/Flash based rendering is more hassle than it's worth, font rendering in IE looks like ***** anywayz...
  13. eckndu thread starter macrumors member

    Jun 20, 2008
    If I haven't said so already, thanks everyone for the help.

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