What is Apple doing with 4.0

mbell75

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We waited so long for this? I don't even have an iPhone but was interested in seeing what would be in store for my new iPad. Guess the answer is, not much. I have an iMac, MacBook and now an iPad. So I think it's safe to say I really love Apple products, however, the iPhone os isn't one. How can a company so inventive continue to put out such weak updates to their phones while Google is making huge leaps with Android? As I use both Apple and Google (Android) I think I have a good feel for both and will say that I am extremely disappointed with Apple's new 4.0 announcements.

They really needed something huge to show that they are still a front runner in the game. Instead, it looks like they are playing catch up to Google. Everything from no true multi tasking and no flash to no streamlined social networking and a few other things are glaring oversights and shortcomings. All I can say is that when Google does release their Android based tablet, presumably made by HTC, Apple will be in an even tougher spot and my iPad will be up for sale. Unless of course Apple gets it together and does something unexpected and great for the ipad 4.0/4.1 update.
 

aristobrat

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How can a company so inventive continue to put out such weak updates to their phones while Google is making huge leaps with Android?
I wonder if Google also chose to develop their own hardware (and provide back-support with their OS to all older hardware), if they'd be making as "huge leaps" as they are now.

It's obvious that Apple and Google have chosen different directions for their mobile OSs.

Nothing wrong with having Macs and Android mobile devices if you don't like Apple's direction. :)
 

aaquib

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Apple now has completely decimated any notable advantage the Android platform has over the iPhone, aside from unsigned applications. Sure it may be catching up, but it was well appreciated.
 

vw195

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Apple now has completely decimated any notable advantage the Android platform has over the iPhone, aside from unsigned applications. Sure it may be catching up, but it was well appreciated.
What about being on 4 carriers? (in the USA) Thats a pretty big advantage.
 

mbell75

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Apple now has completely decimated any notable advantage the Android platform has over the iPhone, aside from unsigned applications. Sure it may be catching up, but it was well appreciated.
Hmmm. Well the only advantage the iPhone and it's os has over android and a phone like the nexus one for instance, was a larger app store. It ends there.
 

Jay Marcase

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Apple now has completely decimated any notable advantage the Android platform has over the iPhone, aside from unsigned applications. Sure it may be catching up, but it was well appreciated.
Decimate is sheer hyperbole as Apple has barely met the bar and not by much. The iPhone OS still has the same antiquated home screen, blank lock screen, limited customization, no direct printing, no widgets, a horrible notification system, and no built in turn by turn GPS. With the sheer ferocity Google is going at Apple with Android, the iPhone could really lose the top spot if it doesn't stay at the forefront of technology. Right now the iPhone is resembling the RAZR with it's constant incremental updates while the competition keeps raising the bar.
 

vini-vidi-vici

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Not sure what you're complaining about, I think the os4 update news is significant. I can wait till fall for the iPad version...

I think people focus way too much on what might be available tomorrow, or what someone else might have, without enjoying what's available today. It's typical grass is greener syndrome. Android is fine, but its hardly perfect... Nothing is. whatever... I'm not going to dwell on it. The fact is that today's technology is incredible, and whatever is added to it is simply frosting on the cake.
 

PhoneI

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Hmmm. Well the only advantage the iPhone and it's os has over android and a phone like the nexus one for instance, was a larger app store. It ends there.
I have an iPhone and a Nexus One. Believe me when I say the iPhone has plenty over Android. After I few days I got bored with the widgets. I prefer almost everything else on the iPhone.
 

Doju

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Hmmm. Well the only advantage the iPhone and it's os has over android and a phone like the nexus one for instance, was a larger app store. It ends there.
Have you even used both? Android has a persistent beta feel, not nearly as polished as the iPhone or as user-friendly.

Don't get me wrong, nice OS and I'd use it if I didn't have an iPhone, but iPhone is much better if you ask me, even if the apps were on par (and they definitely aren't, both in quantity and quality) it would still be much better from the ease of use alone.

The new multi-tasking is much better than the half-hearted Android solution.

And I don't see how we have less updates than Android. Android 2.0 had what, free navigation and a few other features? We get tons every iteration. Their mass "new number release" had free navigation and a couple other things. Woo. We get seven big ones and over a hundred other ones.

Even 3.0 iPhone tanks Android if you ask me. Walled-gardens have yet to affect me at all, only in a positive, secure way. Apple knows what they're doing, and do they ever do it well.
 

mbell75

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I have an iPhone and a Nexus One. Believe me when I say the iPhone has plenty over Android. After I few days I got bored with the widgets. I prefer almost everything else on the iPhone.
Really? Look at a list of what both phones have side by side and it's not even close. The nexus one wins every category. Just the ability to be able to upgrade the memory with a larger SD card is a huge plus. RAM is another issue. Even the iPad I am typing on only has 256MB while my HTC Hero has 288. That's ridiculous. I mean seriously, the iPhone wasn't even able to do MMS messaging until recently without a jailbreak. Even basic phones could do that. Apple really needs to step it up.
 

PNutts

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What about being on 4 carriers? (in the USA) Thats a pretty big advantage.
Hmmm... The other three and the reason not to use them are:

  1. Verizon - ($$$)
  2. Sprint - Sprint Customer Service
  3. And the other one that I've never met anyone who uses

I'm good with AT&T, thx.
 

ntrigue

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I'm thrilled with the announcements. I'm not sure what you desire. I think this generation has electronic ADD.

Bravo Apple!
 

IronLogik

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Really? Look at a list of what both phones have side by side and it's not even close. The nexus one wins every category. Just the ability to be able to upgrade the memory with a larger SD card is a huge plus. RAM is another issue. Even the iPad I am typing on only has 256MB while my HTC Hero has 288. That's ridiculous. I mean seriously, the iPhone wasn't even able to do MMS messaging until recently without a jailbreak. Even basic phones could do that. Apple really needs to step it up.
You're trolling.

256mb of ram is more than enough. Your iPad is silky smooth isn't it? So why complain? In recent years RAM prices have come down and as a result a lot of laziness has happened on the computer end of things when it comes to developers. They're sloppy, stashing everything in ram and because there can be tons of it now it just simply doesn't matter.

On a small embedded device the developers just need to develop around the ram limitation. It isn't really a limitation. A single app has tons of ram available to it and the SDK does some really nice stuff to help destroy views and free up memory if it's needed.

These new multi-tasking APIs are killer. They beat Android hands down in terms of sheer ingenuity. The ability to have an app just finish what it was doing and then it quits as normal. The ability for applications to be aware of GPS in the background but not necessarily run otherwise. Audio only streaming and not have to worry about the rest of the stuff. All of that is designed around the idea of less ram and making the system function at a core level.

What is this doing? The same thing HTML5 support is doing. Developers are being smart with their code and developing for the platform and to do so they need to keep memory in line. HTML5 support is killing flash because it's too ram and cpu intensive. You're privileged enough to see to see a computer revolution here. Where developers need to once again be smart with their code. They can't write trash and get away with it. It's sort of like a programming reset.

Let's see.

Copy and Paste. Long awaited and amazingly awesome when it arrived. Why? Because it does way more than we expected, and does it in a very elegant way.

MMS. Long awaited and i suppose amazingly awesome when it arrived for some people. Support for sending photos is easy. Support for sending GPS info and contact info is pretty darn slick.

Multi-tasking. I'm sure they could've easily just allowed it to happen. But what we ended up getting instead was a very streamlined approach that will pay off big time when developers take advantage of it. You'll see.

A few things I really am disappointed with though.

The notification system really is trash. It needs a thorough update. I'm not sure why this wasn't tackled in this update. Bothers me to no freaking end.

I would've liked to have seen some sort of mifi application that AT&T released with Apple that provided 250mb/unlimited just like the iPad. So those of us with iPhones could use our iPhone has the 3G portion of our iPad. I suspect this was merely too much to ask for though.

I wish there was a way to easily disable various services. Quickly and easily turn off bluetooth and wifi from the status bar.

Lockscreen information like unread emails, upcoming calendar events, etc.

I'm sure we'll see it eventually.

Android is a cluster (beep). Most of the phones out there are still running 1.4, 1.5 and 1.6. Nevermind that 2.1 is the newest and the only device really running it is the Nexus One. I hear Droid's are finally getting the update. But seriously. It's been out for how long now? Over a month at least. That doesn't change the fact the entire OS is so fragmented. With so many phones using older versions of the OS it makes developing for the platform worthless.

The apps are inconsistent looking. They have no consistent UI guidelines. It's just all around a mess. It has potential. But it's a mess that I wouldn't let my parents use. An iPhone they could totally use though. That's a huge deal.

Nevermind all this though. If you're so unhappy with iPhone OS 4.0 then go buy an Android device. No one is stopping you.
 

vw195

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Hmmm... The other three and the reason not to use them are:

  1. Verizon - ($$$)
  2. Sprint - Sprint Customer Service
  3. And the other one that I've never met anyone who uses

I'm good with AT&T, thx.
Heh well its not specifically about you, but the 80 million of customers on Vz and Sprint, Tmobile are being cannibalized by Android.
 

iCheddar

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3 years ago when the iPhone was released, Steve Jobs said that iPhone OS was at least 3 years ahead of the competition. He was right. But, 3 years later, Apple has failed to introduce ANY feature that significantly updated the iPhone's UI. App store, sure, copy & paste, sure, multitasking, sure. All things that should've been there 3 years ago.

At this point, WebOS has Apple beat from a UI standpoint, and Android has Apple beat from a functionality standpoint.

No major UI changes.
No improvement to notifications.
No file management.
Bad implementation of multitasking.
Shoddy push management.
But! We get wallpapered backgrounds now! Because that hasn't been around since late 2007.

I love my iPhone, but I swear, if Palm had decent hardware, I'd switch in a heartbeat.
 

vw195

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You're trolling.

256mb of ram is more than enough. Your iPad is silky smooth isn't it? So why complain? In recent years RAM prices have come down and as a result a lot of laziness has happened on the computer end of things when it comes to developers. They're sloppy, stashing everything in ram and because there can be tons of it now it just simply doesn't matter.

On a small embedded device the developers just need to develop around the ram limitation. It isn't really a limitation. A single app has tons of ram available to it and the SDK does some really nice stuff to help destroy views and free up memory if it's needed.
I dont think he's trolling. how long has Android and WinMo had 800x480 resolution? Wanna bet whether the next hardware upgrade for iphone matches that resolution?
 

Chupa Chupa

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OMG! I just put my order in to sell all my AAPL shares because MBell75 is contemplating switching to Android. :rolleyes:

Seriously, It looks like a solid update & we still don't know what Apple is packing in the next iPhone hardware update or the 4.1 iPad update.

If there is a gripe to be made it's that a lot of 3G owners are trapped in their contract, unable to get the upgrade price, & unable to take advantage of multitasking.
 

reubs

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I have an HTC Hero, and as each day goes by I realize I'm one day closer to being able to get rid of it and the Android platform. Android is clunky; the app market is poorly organized; and the lack of updates across the board for all current models is just a shady practice that is ridiculous. The problem w/ being on all four carriers with multiple handsets is that each update has to be tailored by each carrier and handset manufacturer to work. I'm still on 1.5 even though 2.1 is available and the Hero was seen (not too long ago) as a competitor to the iPhone.

Opening up availability to other carriers is key, though. The only reason I don't have an iPhone right now is that I was sick of dealing w/ ATT Mobile. Dropped calls, problems transferring my number when moving, and what seemed to be a general level of incompetence made it difficult to want to stay with them.

Today's announcements excited me, and it made me think that when I upgrade after my current contract is up, the iPhone 5.0 OS will be so much better than the Android 1.5 that my carrier will probably still have since there is nothing to compel them to upgrade. Apple controls their hardware AND their software, and I think that's a big advantage for them.
 

PNutts

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How can a company so inventive continue to put out such weak updates to their phones while Google is making huge leaps with Android? As I use both Apple and Google (Android) I think I have a good feel for both and will say that I am extremely disappointed with Apple's new 4.0 announcements.
I'm not an Android user but looking at their 2.1 update:

  • Live Wallpapers (moving background)
  • Additional Home Screens (now five)
  • Updated Home Screen Navigation (can jump directly to a Home Screen)
  • New App Launcher (visual effect)
  • Voice Typing For All Text Fields
  • New Widgets
  • 3D Photo Gallery

I must be missing something because I don't see anything there to claim "huge leaps" and all iPhone OS update "weak". And don't forget the decrease in performace with 2.1.
 

mbell75

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3 years ago when the iPhone was released, Steve Jobs said that iPhone OS was at least 3 years ahead of the competition. He was right. But, 3 years later, Apple has failed to introduce ANY feature that significantly updated the iPhone's UI. App store, sure, copy & paste, sure, multitasking, sure. All things that should've been there 3 years ago.

At this point, WebOS has Apple beat from a UI standpoint, and Android has Apple beat from a functionality standpoint.

No major UI changes.
No improvement to notifications.
No file management.
Bad implementation of multitasking.
Shoddy push management.
But! We get wallpapered backgrounds now! Because that hasn't been around since late 2007.
I agree, although I still prefer HTC's Sense UI to WebOS.

How am I trolling? Because I am tired of Apple's lackluster updates and want to see more from a company I have given thousands of dollars to? :rolleyes: No, my ipad is not silky smooth while online. No matter whos 3G connection i am on Sprint, AT&T or Verizon, it still takes some time to load up a web page with alot of info and if I scroll before its fully loaded up, I get that lovely checkerboard pattern. Thats the 256MB of RAM for ya. That does not happen on the Nexus One or even my Hero as much.