What is HTC doing?

Discussion in 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices' started by LIVEFRMNYC, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    As the title says ......... Also, is the One carrying HTC?

    I ask cause Samsung is having a jolly time announcing/releasing all types of different phones and tablets. I haven't heard anything from HTC except the One since it's release. I know about the Google version and the mini that's coming soon. But what else do they have in store that's not based on the One? Are they still a struggling company?
     
  2. Liquorpuki macrumors 68020

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    I wouldn't be surprised if the One was carrying them.

    One OS they create hardware for is now synonymous with Samsung. The other is synonymous with Nokia.

    Strategically they're not in a very good place right now
     
  3. MRU, Jul 29, 2013
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    They have the Desire 600, the HTC One Mini, the Butterfly S, the T6 (HTC One Maxx coming) etc..

    They are going o release software update to try and support One X, One X+, Droid DNA, Butterfly and reports are now suggesting even the One S has a reprieve.


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    HTC can't win, if they put out same amount of phones as Samsung they would have the **** ripped out of them on forums for not concentrating on what they had. If they don't push out same amount of phones as Samsung they get the **** ripped out of them on forums for having too few phones...... How do they win?

    Is it any wonder they see their future not in the west but back in the South East and other emerging markets like India and Africa.

    They are a significantly smaller company than Samsung. The re-alignment and exit of western ceo's are testament to this.

    At the end of the day they won't be able to take on Samsung, heck Sony is a massive company in comparison to HTC and even it struggles to make the same impact as Samsung.

    Flagship android sales have peaked in the west, and mid range and emerging markets are the only remaining growth areas. For HTC to survive, it is these markets they need to tap into ...

    We have reached a point where HTC will never be as strong as it once was presence wise in the West.


    Going forward ALL manufacturers are going to struggle selling flag ship devices in the west. Consumers are tied to ever increasing contracts and their upgrade cycles are pushing out. With handset prices increasing year on year, and carriers vying for new customers but trying to offer phones at same or lower subsidised pricing, it is thought by 2014 - 3 year contracts on new handsets will be common place. For every customer tha signs up to one of of those it means they are taken out of the pool of potential customers for two further upgrade cycles. That means Samsung, HTC, Apple, Sony won't be selling them a new handset for a long while - at this point the 'new pool' of folks for Flagship handsets will plateau and even truncate year by year simply because they are tied now to longer contracts rather than upgrading every 12 months.

    Sadly enthusiasts are not going to save flagship sales in the west for any of the companies. Samsung recently got a revised stock market warning and a few billion wiped off them with stock market analysts fears that they won't sell as many S4's or that they may have devalued their own product with too many variations. I think it more likely, simply a case that Samsung will struggle to reach anything like their projected 100 million S4's and will likely get to around 40 million by next year - matching the S3. Apple has seen significant slow down of iPhone sales over the last while too - and its indicative that even they choose NOW to release a cheaper iPhone as the way forward to re-vitalise. Reaching for emerging markets and those folk that don't want long contracts with carriers.

    There is a fundemental shift - all companies will struggle going forward following the old way .... Expect a fundemental change from every handset maker.

    Why do you think the Moto X isn't pushing the boundaries hardware wise? If it can come out at $300-400 unsubsidised, or maybe $100 on a 12 month contract - it will be a vastly more attractive proposition and successful than a $650 unsubsidised or $200 on a 24 month contract phone for any people.....

    Flagship spec phones have peaked. High (compared to flagship specs of last year) mid range is the future.......
     
  4. AutoUnion39, Jul 29, 2013
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    Nothing. And that's exactly the problem with HTC. :D

    People will go on and on about how HTC is such a small company and doesn't have the huge resources as Samsung, but that hasn't stopped smaller Android makers (Sony and LG) from pumping out software updates and new hardware.

    I decided to give them another chance after my POS One X with the One and they've pretty much lost my business forever. They're too hung on making a good looking phone, while everyone else is worried about making a great all-round device.

    The One is saddled with poor RF performance, battery life, and camera. Not to mention, the outdated software. 4.2.2 is STILL NOT HERE for the US Dev Editions.

    Their downfall is downright pathetic. They were first to Android. Now they're a joke.

    I know it's hip and cool to hate Samsung these days, but there's a reason why they are #1. They actually make fantastic devices. HTC devices just look good. That's it.
     
  5. LIVEFRMNYC thread starter macrumors 603

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    Why is that though? I remember back in the Windows Mobile smartphone days, HTC was king and had a ton of big releases. I know times are differ today as the smartphone market is completely mainstream, but it's like HTC is eithier too scared or too broke to make any risks or investments on multiple devices. They can't even toss out an One tablet which would be a guarantee hit.

    I don't think HTC has too take on Samsung to rise.
     
  6. onthecouchagain macrumors 604

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    I can tell you what they're not doing. They're not updating the HTC one to 4.2.
     
  7. MRU, Jul 29, 2013
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    Nonsense.

    You have been pushing this rubbish on here and XDA for a while now and many of us here have purposely let it slide.

    Its funny that you don't contribute anything to HTC threads over on XDA (only Samsung v HTC one threads) or here other than this same old tired rhetoric, and when someone asks you to prove you actually do own both phones - you come back with 'I have nothing to prove to you'...

    I can tell you now, We all are under the belief here that you are just pretending to own a HTC one simply to justify the same tired old bashing ad nauseum on this forum.

    So yeah put your money where your mouth is. Post a photo of this page running on your S4 and HTC One side by side, otherwise lets just drop the pretence shall we - its all getting tired and very very old ......
     
  8. MRU, Jul 29, 2013
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    The HTC Flyer was a failure, and I think the appetitie for Androud tablets outside of Tab and Nexus devices isn't great - and they shouldn't compete like all the rest of them fighting for the bottom end of the market like Acer & HP.

    HTC have made mistakes, 2012 was financially a disaster and their products just didnt sell in any great number. Carriers and consumers are fickle, and HTC are struggling to rebuild.

    Verizon HTC One is a big step for them, but its going to take a number of years to rebuild and recoup, and as I say its clear that moving things back to base seems to inictate that they don't see their future success to be primarily in the west anymore.

    If anything the success of the One means they will at least have a presence of some description in the West going into 2014 - but they will likely never be as big as they once were. There is a whole new plethora of handset makers - and I wouldn't be surprised if Huawei are going to end up being one of the major players going forward ....
     
  9. AutoUnion39, Jul 29, 2013
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    Here we go again.

    What's rubbish? The poor battery life? You have no experience to claim good battery life on the HTC One. If I remember correctly, you said you use for phone for like 30 minutes in a day.

    For heavy users, it's quite obvious it can't last a day. Most of the people on XDA have to turn on power saver mode, throttle the CPU, turn off LTE, turn down screen brightness, etc to get it to last a day on HEAVY usage (not your BS 30 minutes of on-screen time).

    GS4? Easily lasts a day. No need for modifications to make a through a day.

    RF performance. Why can my iPhone5 and GS4 hold a signal (albeit barely on both) in my office (without a microcell), whereas my One gets nothing? It's because it has poor RF performance. Just because you don't experience it in Ireland doesn't mean that the people doesn't exist. The Sprint version has been documented to have antenna issues also.

    It's quite hilarious that you're the only one on MR who CONSTANTLY comes to the One's rescue, whenever someone calls HTC out on their poor support. Get over yourself. I'm sorry I insulted your beloved HTC One.

    The issues still stand. No 4.2.2 for the One in the US still. The One X got JB here in the US months after the S3. To top it off, they release the One X+, which they should have just brought out in the first place.
     
  10. tbayrgs macrumors 603

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    Sony and LG are enormous multinational corporations producing a far greater number of products than HTC, they're not even close in size. They may have smaller divisions dedicated to smartphones but the amount of resources at their disposal dwarfs HTC. Very poor analogy.

    In fact, the better question would be how come two very large companies such as Sony and LG, who compete against Samsung in many of the same products areas, are unable to compete?
     
  11. MRU macrumors demi-god

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    Where is the photo ? Otherwise stop talking so much bollox, you are just embarrassing yourself.
     
  12. iPhonemaster5S macrumors 6502

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    But for someone who claims to have had/still has a HTC One I am curious wether or not you really have an HTC one. Post pic if you really do have one.

    As for MacRumourUser I am sure he is not the ONLY one here who comes to defend the phone, plenty of people defend iphone and Samsung if they get "attacked" so I'm sure that if your preffered platform is under fire your bound to "defend" it because you like it. Point is just chill have a normal discussion.
     
  13. AutoUnion39 macrumors 601

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    Grow up. There isn't one thing I'm BSing about. If you don't care to admit its shortcomings, so be it. There are plenty of people who have seen through the aluminum design and realized it's a mediocre device.
     
  14. MRU macrumors demi-god

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    I'm actually using an S4 and BB z10 currently. I will still answer threads and defend with logic even if I don't own the device. That's what he fails to understand.

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    Keep digging.
     
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    Oh sorry considering you post a lot in the HTC One thread I though you bought it??? He will eventually understand....maybe not
     
  16. MRU macrumors demi-god

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    I did and only recently replaced it. I'm a gadget-holic rather than any particular brand.


    Quick History.....

    I had the HTC one, then it had to be replaced / repaired and so I bought the S4. The HTC One was replaced and I decided of the two phones I'd keep the One, as I just did not like Touchwiz. Though I much preferred the S4's camera. Was a real hum dinger at the time, but weaker camera to me was less of a downside than Touchwiz for me personally..

    Then the S4 GE was announced some few weeks later addressing many of my problems - but wasn't willing to spend the € on another device.

    Then recently I bought a BBZ10 on eBay for a bargain price and I've been using that and enjoying it as a phone (sadly apps selection is another thing) and then I got the opportunity to either trade my cheap Z10 or HTC One for an S4 and I decided to keep the Z10 as having two android devices was too samey.

    So I got the S4, flashed GE rom and then realised I had been swapped a lemon with broken sim reader. Samsung are currently replacing it for me under warranty.

    So yeah technically at moment I'm just rocking my Z10, but the replacement S4 should be back to me by early next week and I'll be flashing the 4.2.2 GE rom back on it.

    I will likely also get the iPhone 5S as I'll be due an upgrade and at that point I will sell off either the S4, the Z10 or both......

    :) so much for brand loyalty ;) and to be honest if the Moto X is tempting me, the S4 will likely be replaced with that too.
     
  17. bmac4 macrumors 68040

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    I could careless about the S4 or the HTC One, but dude just stop posting until you have a picture. No one cares about what you say about the One because it is clear you do not have one. If you did you would have no issue posting a picture. Just stop wasting our time.
     
  18. iPhonemaster5S macrumors 6502

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    Wow that's quite the phone switch up as I'm tied to AT&T and paying full price with T-Mobile it would be quite expensive to do that kind if phone swapping. Interesting though because you have can always try different phone which must be fun and a hassle at the same time :rolleyes:
     
  19. adder7712 macrumors 68000

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    My friend's One has 4.2.2. :confused:
     
  20. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

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    I think that it is smart for HTC to concentrate on just a few products like the One and the One Mini. They don't have the resources to compete with Samsung and release 20 variations of the One like Samsung is doing with the S4. I also agree with MacRumorUser and his analysis of the smartphone market.
     
  21. onthecouchagain macrumors 604

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    In the US?
     
  22. adder7712 macrumors 68000

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    Nope.
     

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