What is it with Apple's convoluted system?

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  1. tekno macrumors 6502a

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    Apple make the hardware and software. They have complete control. So why don't they simplify their own system? Some things in Apple's system seem so much more complicated than they need to be.

    1. The whole disk image thing. Why do I need to download the disk image, mount the disk (albeit a non-existent one), open it, drag a picture of an application over a picture of a folder, eject the virtual disk and then delete the disk image all just to install an app?

    2. Upgrading the OS. My partner is on 10.5. To get to 10.7 he needed to buy and install 10.6 to then be able to buy and install 10.7. Could 10.7 not work without 10.6??

    3. Documents on the iPad. My partner has an iPad and today showed me just how difficult it is to get a doc from Pages on his iPad to Pages on his Mac. Something about going to iTunes, syncing, saving as etc. etc. Looked highly convoluted.

    These are just three examples - could they be more simple?
     
  2. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    1) I dunno
    2) If you have a copy of Lion from a current computer, make a dmg image and install from that
    3) Use dropbox
     
  3. tekno thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    So, to confirm, your answers appear to be:

    1 - You can't see a reason for this
    2 - Find an unsupported and un-Apple work-around that probably goes against Apple's user agreement
    3 - Use a secondary application in an attempt to circumvent Apple's failings
     
  4. heisenberg123 macrumors 603

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    1. Installing apps on a Mac is very easy, even on windows it requires a setup or install . Exe file no different than a dmg

    2. Lion is on the Mac app store that's why you need 10.6 you could skip 10.6 and go straight to lion by purchasing the lion USB

    3 don t have an iPad
     
  5. Mal macrumors 603

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    This isn't Apple's decision. They use installers for all their apps, or of course in the Mac App Store it skips that step (visibly to the user at least). You're complaining about decisions by third-party developers that have nothing to do with Apple.

    This was an unusual situation. Usually Apple has let you upgrade in jumps if you wished, but they wanted to distribute Lion via the Mac App Store, which is part of Snow Leopard. Fortunately, you could buy both for less than half the price that Leopard cost, so it's still better overall.

    Supposed to be fixed by iCloud, but of course not working yet. Dropbox is a good solution, not sure why you knocked the other poster's suggestion. I'm guessing you're just looking for things to nitpick about, though, and don't really care about the logic behind your complaints.

    jW
     
  6. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    1) yes
    2)Apple details how to make a bootable usb. With that, you don't need SL.
    3) Yes. Works nice if you want to bypass itunes
     
  7. vistadude macrumors 65816

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    Agreed, all of these things are headaches. Try explaining to parents or grandparents what a disk image is, and try explaining why you have to eject a file after installing an app?


     
  8. Mal macrumors 603

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    Explaining how to use the App Store is drop-dead simple, however. That's Apple's system, not this business of disk images. Apple only ever uses those for things that only developers or techs will see, never for customer-facing installations. Again, you're complaining about a problem as if Apple needs to fix it when they already use a much better method themselves.

    Also, any third-party developers could be using zip files that automatically extract to an installer or to a simple .app package that simply needs to be moved to the Applications folder (and some of them even do it for you automatically on first run), but the disk image installer has become convention for many, and they forget that it's confusing to novice users.

    jW
     
  9. matrix07 macrumors 68040

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    This is much better and easier than installing .exe on Windows. So much easier I feel a relief.
     
  10. tekno thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    It may be easier than Windows, but is it actually easy? Again, Windows needs a work on a huge number of different machines whereas OSX only needs to work on machines designed and built by Apple.

    Surely you're not saying that installing apps on Macs is perfect and cannot be improved?
     
  11. matrix07 macrumors 68040

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    All I can say is when my Mac friend taught me how to install app I said "wow! That's it?". Surely everything can be improved upon but let's keep things in perspective a little bit.
    And installing from MAS is even easier.
     
  12. 0dev macrumors 68040

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    Dragging a file to install something is piss easy, I don't see how you can complain about that. And with the Mac App Store you just install things with a click if you want.

    You can skip SL if you get Lion on a USB key or external HD or something. I did this even though I do have SL because I prefer clean installs.

    As for the iCloud thing, just use Dropbox.
     
  13. tekno thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Except you don't just drag something. There's all the 'disk image' mounting/unmounting/deleting etc. Although I admit the App Store works a treat (even though there's still a lot of stuff that's not on there.

    Didn't know that. I thought I read only the other day that Apple were giving away SL to allow people to upgrade to Lion.

    I take it that by suggesting one uses a non-Apple work-around you're admitting Apple's system is inferior.
     
  14. 0dev macrumors 68040

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    Double click, drag, click. Not difficult.

    :)

    Different services work better for different people's needs, neither has to necessarily be "inferior". I personally use Dropbox because it's compatible with all my non-Apple devices.
     
  15. iArch macrumors regular

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    Even better, everyone's telling you to use DropBox to get docs from Pages on the iPad over to Pages on the Mac, but that won't work without adding yet another third party layer into the mix in the form of something like DropDav (currently $5 per month). Here's an article that talks about it, but be aware that the limited free option it mentions appears to be no longer available.

    I love DropBox and use it multiple times daily. Plenty of useful iOS apps (like GoodReader) seamlessly interact with it. Pages can't and, yes, that sucks.
     
  16. shurcooL macrumors 6502a

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    Short answer: they're working on it.

    Agreed, seems like this process could be streamlined. This is why I distribute my OS X app as a .zip containing the .app bundle directly. Download .zip, double-click to extract, move the .app to Applications folder.

    Apple can only do so much with older hardware. This problem does not exist with the products they are currently selling. For older ones, you could make a bootable Lion install USB/DVD.

    Already fixed in OS X Mountain Lion, wait for summer. You can save/load from iCloud in both OS X ML and on iOS 5.
     
  17. tekno thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    What's the long answer? Because there are a lot of things about Apple products that never seem to improve, like the disk image thing.
     
  18. nuckinfutz macrumors 603

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    1. Because applications are bundles of files in a package and to ensure safe delivery across a variety of filesystems (read internet) you need to encapsulate this package of files into a safe "vessel". Without a DMG the potential for data being stripped from the package is higher. It's the same reason why some people will send you a zipped archive of files rather than just attach the files in email. They are preventing data loss by locking everything into a safe "vessel" for transport.

    2. Because 10.5 as distributed on disc and 10.7 is a digital download.


    3. Email is the quickest way but iCloud will render this issue moot this summer.
     
  19. shurcooL macrumors 6502a

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    I think what he means is...

    Why can't you download a .dmg and move it to your Applications folder, in order to install said app. The mounting, copying, unmounting and deleting can be done transparently. Or some other improved User Interaction to install downloaded apps...

    Now that I think about it, they've already solved this problem too: it's called the Mac App Store. One click on "Download" and voilà.
     
  20. tekno thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Exactly. Computers need to do all sorts of things, but the more it can do without input from me, the better as far as I'm concerned.

    You're absolutely right about the app store, too.
     
  21. nuckinfutz macrumors 603

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    For a while I used an app called Dropzone which would open a DMG, move the file and then shut down and delete the DMG file. It worked about 80% of the time.

    Now I just try to concentrate most of my purchases towards the Mac App Store. It's just easier.
     
  22. libertysat macrumors regular

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    I used iWork.com to iCloud my Pages docs to all my iOS and Macs

    Apple says mid July and they turn off iWork.com so am hoping they will release 5.2/5.1.x to pick it up before hand...
     
  23. earwax69 macrumors member

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    What I hate on the mac is all the syncing you have to do. God bless drag and drop.
     

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