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What is the iPhone 8, 8+, X camera quality/image sensor? LG V30 has 10 bit hdr and F/1.6 aperture.

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Was watching this video, I was amazed how high quality the camera was that I thought was actually better than the RED Weapon $50,000 cinema camera:

and looking at the LG V30 website for their phone:

http://www.lg.com/us/mobile-phones/v30

3 things came to mind (besides their OLED FullVision display that has no notch and actually looks like they accomplish Apple's vision better than Apple did ("Our vision has always been to create an iPhone that is entirely screen. One so immersive the device itself disappears into the experience."), I knew LG made the best OLED displays), displays aside:

  1. LG V30 has a 10 bit hdr image sensor instead of 8 bit image sensor.
  2. LG V30 has an aperture of F/1.6 with glass lens
  3. LG V30 has manual settings in default camera app

#3 I can live without given App Store having 3rd party apps... but what about #1 and #2? What image sensor does the iPhone 8, 8+, and X have? Is it 10-bit also? Does the F/1.6 matter much? Should the iPhones of this generation be taking better quality photos than the LG V30? Thoughts?
 
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im actually thinking of switching to android due to apple dropping the ball on their new device rollout.

the notch will continue to be an issue. mark my words.

apple is also starting to use bush league tactics when it comes to burying deal breaking absent features. for instance SMS will not work on the new apple watch without a phone paired. only imessage works. thats a glaring omission..
 
I think my new iPhone 8 Plus is very good for point-and-shoot snap shots and very convenient to have with me most of the time, but if I am more serious about taking photos I will still bring my Olympus OMD EM5 digital camera.
 
so V30 it is then? ;)
seriously, if it wasn't for Android os....
it sure looks amazing and the true bezel less build is far better than the X.
also around 60 grams lighter than the 8+
 
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not quite what this topic is about, but i was interested in what kind of OLED panel is used in the V30 and i had no idea that LG is back in the smartphone OLED game with a good display.

Our testing reveals that there’s little to tell between the LG and Samsung’s panels when it comes to setting max brightness manually. Both capped out at 421 and 398 nits respectively giving LG a slight lead. However, the auto mode is able to shift this higher, and LG’s OLED panel takes a more notable lead, offering 606 nits compared with Samsung’s 535. Interestingly we couldn’t achieve anywhere near the over 1,000 nits of brightness that DisplayMate claims Samsung’s display is capable of.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v30-poled-vs-samsung-super-amoled-797330/

hope someone will do a deeper analysis between the displays soon. (or if they already did, that i'll find it ;) )
 
Very nice. Though I do wonder what would happen if an iPhone 8+ was used instead of the LG V3 and the same post tools and filming rigs were used.

I’m pretty certain I’d be impressed to a very similar extent.
 
What I would love to know is whether the iPhone has a 10-bit image sensor like the LG has for their phone, or if it falls under the traditional 8-bit category. Apple states on their website they support HDR10, but is that equivalent to having a 10-bit sensor? Or can you support HDR10 with 8-bit?
 
There is no doubt the V30 camera is impressive.

Video seems like an ad though (maybe it was I got bored of the rhetoric).

LOG LOG LOG blah. The LG can do something natively that very few people want/need to do especially with a phone. However if you are one of the few there are 3rd party apps out there that with a iPhone 7 or newer can shoot in true LOG.

He made his color grading look simple enough huh? Download your LUTs pack for Resolve. Tweak this, that and boom! That actually took some experience, to do it quick it took experience and skill.

I know they aren't comparing an iPhone in the video but for me once post editing gets involved it becomes a matter of who is a better editor as much as which footage is better.

The LG probably has a better camera on certain technical levels. However I would recommend to anyone interested in photography to take a course. Its not the weapon that makes the man, and the person with the best equipment in class isn't the most likely to take the best photos. Not even close actually. I constantly see people shooting video in portrait mode, makes me cringe. I tell myself its specifically for social media. lol.

There are still things the iPhone does well/better too.

Obviously 4k60fps HEVC, while this isn't important to everyone its has to be more important than LOG!

Also the way the iPhone handles HEVC by transcoding on the fly to send to friends and family makes using it nearly seamless for anyone. Keep in mind standard procedure with HEVC is transcoding to h264 so everyone can watch it.

The native app is SIMPLE. I'm not familiar with the LG's camera app but it doesn't exactly look like something I would pull out of my pocket and start shooting a video immediately with. And if I did I would probably be responsible for it turning out like crap due to a setting still checked or unchecked.

For more realistic video editing with a phone recorded video the iMovie app is great. For example last night one of my friends and I were trying on climbing helmets. He made an idiotic video so screen recorded an animated gif and stitched this together in iMovie on my 6S in 5 minutes...probably less. Excuse him, he's an idiot.

Plus obvious things (not sure about the LG on these) like bokeh, live photos, how they are stored (faces), where they are stored (iCloud Photo Library), how you can send them (full res iMessage), etc etc....

To each there own but I see people shoot better pictures and videos with an iPhone than I can. So for me there is no sense of even considering to upgrade until I'm at their level.
 
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FWIW, the same type of comparison was done with the iPhone 7+.

And the results are again very impressive, leading me to believe the training and film tools are definitely feeding into better outcomes than what can be achieved in the hands of your average Snapchat selfie and filter monkey with even a $50,000 camera.

 
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Starfyre said:
What I would love to know is whether the iPhone has a 10-bit image sensor like the LG has for their phone, or if it falls under the traditional 8-bit category. Apple states on their website they support HDR10, but is that equivalent to having a 10-bit sensor? Or can you support HDR10 with 8-bit?
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Since they aren't shouting it from the roof tops I would GUESS video is 8-bit 4:2:0. IMO this is an ok trade off if we said 10-bit vs 4k60fps HEVC. Here is why...

1. Display support. While 10 bit displays are getting more and more popular they are still relatively rare. I have 2 TV's that support up to 10-bit (one is HDR10, other is Dobly Vision) however I don't even know anyone else that does and if I do they just bought it without know that spec.

2. Editting. Since most people are still editing and transcoding to 1080p (for TV compatibility) you can downsample the iPhones 4K video to obtain 4:4:4 chroma. This will result in a better picture on peoples TVs than they likely experienced...ever. While that alone isnt a big deal compared to the LG which is probably 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 the iPhone has the advantage of 60fps with better colors for fast passed video. Plus for me that adds some flexibility for slo mo's vs 30fps.

HDR10 (and Dolby Vision, HDR10+, Technicolor HDR, etc) are references for display "specs"/compatibilities, also for UHD BD (HDR10) and streaming services (HDR10, Dolby Vision, HDR10+) content. Not all displays are created equal though, an HDR video on display X may look noticeably better/worse than display Y.
 
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Since they aren't shouting it from the roof tops I would GUESS video is 8-bit 4:2:0. IMO this is an ok trade off if we said 10-bit vs 4k60fps HEVC. Here is why...

1. Display support. While 10 bit displays are getting more and more popular they are still relatively rare. I have 2 TV's that support up to 10-bit (one is HDR10, other is Dobly Vision) however I don't even know anyone else that does and if I do they just bought it without know that spec.

2. Editting. Since most people are still editing and transcoding to 1080p (for TV compatibility) you can downsample the iPhones 4K video to obtain 4:4:4 chroma. This will result in a better picture on peoples TVs than they likely experienced...ever. While that alone isnt a big deal compared to the LG which is probably 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 the iPhone has the advantage of 60fps with better colors for fast passed video. Plus for me that adds some flexibility for slo mo's vs 30fps.

HDR10 (and Dolby Vision, HDR10+, Technicolor HDR, etc) are references for display "specs"/compatibilities, also for UHD BD (HDR10) and streaming services (HDR10, Dolby Vision, HDR10+) content. Not all displays are created equal though, an HDR video on display X may look noticeably better/worse than display Y.
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Thanks for the info.
 
Starfyre said:
What I would love to know is whether the iPhone has a 10-bit image sensor like the LG has for their phone, or if it falls under the traditional 8-bit category. Apple states on their website they support HDR10, but is that equivalent to having a 10-bit sensor? Or can you support HDR10 with 8-bit?
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You’re getting into the weeds a bit.

Ask yourself what difference does any of this makes in your actual usage.

What task are you actually performing?
 
Starfyre said:
What I would love to know is whether the iPhone has a 10-bit image sensor like the LG has for their phone, or if it falls under the traditional 8-bit category. Apple states on their website they support HDR10, but is that equivalent to having a 10-bit sensor? Or can you support HDR10 with 8-bit?
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Pretty sure the cameras on the 7 and 8 capture 10 bit. If you go back and watch the keynote for the 7, they mentioned it capturing “wide color” aka 10 bit. Some developer even went on stage and did a demo of the phone capturing more colors.
 
Technarchy said:
You’re getting into the weeds a bit.

Ask yourself what difference does any of this makes in your actual usage.

What task are you actually performing?
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Weeds? LG is marketing all of what I mentioned on their website for the V30. We should all become familiar with such 'weeds' so we don't end up being uneducated Apple consumers.

What task am I actually performing? :rolleyes: Taking photos and recording video. I want to have the best quality photos and video I can get from a smartphone. If the iPhone sensor is indeed worse than the V30, then of course it makes a difference in actual usage.
 
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Starfyre said:
Weeds? LG is marketing all of what I mentioned on their website for the V30. I suggest you learn such 'weeds' so you don't end up being the uneducated consumer. We are Apple consumers after all.

What task am I actually performing? :rolleyes: Taking photos and recording video. I want to have the best quality photos and video I can get from a smartphone. If the iPhone sensor is indeed worse than the V30, then of course it makes a difference in actual usage.
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me too, but i just cannot enjoy it on Android. can you?
 
Nozuka said:
not quite what this topic is about, but i was interested in what kind of OLED panel is used in the V30 and i had no idea that LG is back in the smartphone OLED game with a good display.


http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v30-poled-vs-samsung-super-amoled-797330/

hope someone will do a deeper analysis between the displays soon. (or if they already did, that i'll find it ;) )
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LG is already having display problems. they are not truly comparable to the advance Samsung OLED displays.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/lg-v30-hands-on-lgs-oled-displays-still-have-quality-issues/

https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...screen-exhibiting-color-imbalance-issues.html
 
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LG is already having display problems. they are not truly comparable to the advance Samsung OLED displays.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/lg-v30-hands-on-lgs-oled-displays-still-have-quality-issues/

https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...screen-exhibiting-color-imbalance-issues.html
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that's weird... never seen this kind of uniformity problem on OLED displays.. oh well... would have been a surprise if they nailed it on their first shot back.

still a bummer, their TV panels are amazing.
 
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that's weird... never seen this kind of uniformity problem on OLED displays.. oh well... would have been a surprise if they nailed it on their first shot back.

still a bummer, their TV panels are amazing.
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Yeah that's what I was thinking too. It's almost like looking at lightbleed on a OLED panel which is almost unheard of. Some South Koreans are also reporting the display being dim in certain corners? Furthermore, LG did not calibrate it well and it has a dismal cold 7500K color temperature.
 
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