What is there's no new MacPro announced on 27th October ?

[Anto38x]

Does anyone think that even if Apple decide not to deliver a new update to the current MacPro on the 27th October, that this could be the end for the MacPro or could November delivery a surprise update...?

I have been waiting three years now... I have a MacPro 2 x 2.93 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon Mid 2010 with 500GB SSD plus 64GM RAM with QTY 3 x 3TB internal drives running macOS Sierra. It's still a great machine.... but there have been OS improvements over the years that aren't compatible with my machine and there have been many advancement in SSD technology, RAM and graphic cards... so a new machine would be a great boost to my graphic design / web design / large format design business.

Any comments most welcome.


Regards,
Anthony

 

[NostromoUK]

We all feel your pain and are waiting...

If no mention of the Mac Pro on Thursday, I will have to take the plunge and go with an HP Workstation.

 

[Anto38x]

Thanks for your reply NostromoUK.... would you really do something so drastic...? I will wait about 1 more year... making this current computer the longest I have ever had... I would have normally upgraded every 3-4 years... to keep up with new technology advancements and just to feel like I was still moving forward. Now I feel very stagnant and that I'm missing out on new technology advancements that would be in a newly upgraded MacPro. I worry that macOS Sierra will be the last OS update my machine will be compatible with.... I'm already missing out on the Continuity features which I would see being very helpful for my business.

For me, I know nothing else but Apple Mac, so to change would just not happen... I have all the iPads, iPhone, iTunes, AppleTVs... so I'm kinda locked in... along with the rest of my family members.... but I do worry that even now... as the 27th event gets closer... all talk about a new MacPro are starting to dwindle and disappear.... leaving me hoping for a little miracle or a One More Thing event...

Thanks again for your input.... out of pure curiosity... why would you go HP... why not DELL.... and what sort of comparison machine would you go for...?


Anthony

 

[Joe The Dragon]

apple can downgrade it again. Say to a super mini. With desktop CPU and 1 video card at pci-e X8 with 2 TB 3.0 channels running at pci-e X4 X4. And storage, sata or pci-e ssd , networking, usb, and sound all over the pci-e 3.0 X4 dmi link.

maybe amd zen?

 

[theitsage]

Apple is unlikely to revert its direction in building new products; integrate as many components into the main board to make things smaller, lighter, and much harder to upgrade/repair.

This Thursday announcement is truly going to be a deciding factor for many loyal Mac users whether they're staying with the platform. I'm sad to say we won't see anything as magical as this announcement more than 15 years ago.

1:21:30 for One more thing...

 

[NostromoUK]

Hey Anthony. I work in video production and really can't justify spending the money on the current, neglected Mac Pro when you get so much more for your money with an HP (or Dell etc..) machine. Faster, replaceable GPU etc..

I too, love the Mac environment..but i'll still have my iPhone, iPad..but need something powerful purely for editing and rendering.

I'm looking at the Z-Workstations.

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/workstations/mac-to-z.html

 

[H2SO4]

Thanks for your reply NostromoUK.... would you really do something so drastic...? I will wait about 1 more year... making this current computer the longest I have ever had... I would have normally upgraded every 3-4 years... to keep up with new technology advancements and just to feel like I was still moving forward. Now I feel very stagnant and that I'm missing out on new technology advancements that would be in a newly upgraded MacPro. I worry that macOS Sierra will be the last OS update my machine will be compatible with.... I'm already missing out on the Continuity features which I would see being very helpful for my business.

For me, I know nothing else but Apple Mac, so to change would just not happen... I have all the iPads, iPhone, iTunes, AppleTVs... so I'm kinda locked in... along with the rest of my family members.... but I do worry that even now... as the 27th event gets closer... all talk about a new MacPro are starting to dwindle and disappear.... leaving me hoping for a little miracle or a One More Thing event...

Thanks again for your input.... out of pure curiosity... why would you go HP... why not DELL.... and what sort of comparison machine would you go for...?


Anthony

That’s the mistake I began to make a few years ago. I now spread my decisons. I have an Android phone at work. A PC desktop and laptop, iPhone and a Mac Pro at home. I don’t buy from the Mac App Store if I can help it or the iTunes store.
They ain't locking me in, I want to be in a position to move elsewhere if the need arises and honestly, I can easily do with out continuity, home sharing or the rest of that stuff.
Remember before the eco system how it was easy to do stuff like share via Bluetooth?
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Apple is unlikely to revert its direction in building new products; integrate as many components into the main board to make things smaller, lighter, and much harder to upgrade/repair.

This Thursday announcement is truly going to be a deciding factor for many loyal Mac users whether they're staying with the platform. I'm sad to say we won't see anything as magical as this announcement more than 15 years ago.

1:21:30 for One more thing...

I agree. I’ll probably buy a 6 Core nMP and call it a day with Apple.

 

[Anto38x]

WOW!! I just looked at a video and for performance and price.... that's amazing value.

But no OSX and too much of a change for me..... I seriously hope that the MP gets a serious update, but my optimism is fading. I have spoken with many other MacPro professionals online... and my current MacPro with the configuration I have is still just about holding it performance wise.... but my concern is really next year or the year after... and what if no new MacPros.... what will I do then.

It's so sad really.... as I have been an Apple FanBoy now since I was in my early 20s... I'm 48 now... and getting a little more cynical as to the way they have treated the Pro Community. When they stopped developing Aperture... that was a big hit to me. Now that I have made the transition to Lightroom it's not so bad... but that too a bit of time and a learning curve.

Your HP looks amazing.... I don't understand why Apple doesn't try harder to keep their Pro community satisfied. Very disheartening for sure.

Thanks again for everyone's contributions. Much appreciated.
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That’s the mistake I began to make a few years ago. I now spread my decisons. I have an Android phone at work. A PC desktop and laptop, iPhone and a Mac Pro at home. I don’t buy from the Mac App Store if I can help it or the iTunes store.
They ain't locking me in, I want to be in a position to move elsewhere if the need arises and honestly, I can easily do with out continuity, home sharing or the rest of that stuff.
Remember before the eco system how it was easy to do stuff like share via Bluetooth?
[doublepost=1477319355][/doublepost]
I agree. I’ll probably buy a 6 Core nMP and call it a day with Apple.

Thanks for your comments "H2SO4".... I wish I was as diversified are you currently are... honestly... the fear factor of changing OS would be enough to just let me stay where I am.... maybe if that's the end of the MacPro, I will wait for the new iMac refresh and pump a whole lot of cash into getting the best iMac that can be built.

 

[H2SO4]

WOW!! I just looked at a video and for performance and price.... that's amazing value.

But no OSX and too much of a change for me..... I seriously hope that the MP gets a serious update, but my optimism is fading. I have spoken with many other MacPro professionals online... and my current MacPro with the configuration I have is still just about holding it performance wise.... but my concern is really next year or the year after... and what if no new MacPros.... what will I do then.

It's so sad really.... as I have been an Apple FanBoy now since I was in my early 20s... I'm 48 now... and getting a little more cynical as to the way they have treated the Pro Community. When they stopped developing Aperture... that was a big hit to me. Now that I have made the transition to Lightroom it's not so bad... but that too a bit of time and a learning curve.

Your HP looks amazing.... I don't understand why Apple doesn't try harder to keep their Pro community satisfied. Very disheartening for sure.

Thanks again for everyone's contributions. Much appreciated.
[doublepost=1477320557][/doublepost]
Thanks for your comments "H2SO4".... I wish I was as diversified are you currently are... honestly... the fear factor of changing OS would be enough to just let me stay where I am.... maybe if that's the end of the MacPro, I will wait for the new iMac refresh and pump a whole lot of cash into getting the best iMac that can be built.

Now THAT, is a Pro machine !!!
[doublepost=1477321533][/doublepost]

WOW!! I just looked at a video and for performance and price.... that's amazing value.

But no OSX and too much of a change for me..... I seriously hope that the MP gets a serious update, but my optimism is fading. I have spoken with many other MacPro professionals online... and my current MacPro with the configuration I have is still just about holding it performance wise.... but my concern is really next year or the year after... and what if no new MacPros.... what will I do then.

It's so sad really.... as I have been an Apple FanBoy now since I was in my early 20s... I'm 48 now... and getting a little more cynical as to the way they have treated the Pro Community. When they stopped developing Aperture... that was a big hit to me. Now that I have made the transition to Lightroom it's not so bad... but that too a bit of time and a learning curve.

Your HP looks amazing.... I don't understand why Apple doesn't try harder to keep their Pro community satisfied. Very disheartening for sure.

Thanks again for everyone's contributions. Much appreciated.
[doublepost=1477320557][/doublepost]
Thanks for your comments "H2SO4".... I wish I was as diversified are you currently are... honestly... the fear factor of changing OS would be enough to just let me stay where I am.... maybe if that's the end of the MacPro, I will wait for the new iMac refresh and pump a whole lot of cash into getting the best iMac that can be built.

I’m lucky. I don't use my Mac to make my living. If I did I’d probably have left the Macs behind ages ago. For work I like to plan and have versatility and Apple don't allow you to do that as they give you no indication of what’s coming. It’s all part of them trying to create some mystery. This worked back in the day across the entire range.
Now it’s time to do serious work people don't have time for childish keynotes with Ooh and Aah moments. They just want to know where the next Mac is and what it’ll do.

 

[dasx]

Hey Anthony. I work in video production and really can't justify spending the money on the current, neglected Mac Pro when you get so much more for your money with an HP (or Dell etc..) machine. Faster, replaceable GPU etc..

I too, love the Mac environment..but i'll still have my iPhone, iPad..but need something powerful purely for editing and rendering.

I'm looking at the Z-Workstations.

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/workstations/mac-to-z.html

I'm a heavy FCPX user, I professionally live out of video editing, I could say. (I know, FCPX is not the best professional tool out there, it's just the one I started off with and the only one I know. Gotta say though, I've managed to get a very high level on it).

My iMac does the job, but I've been holding off buying a nMP for almost 2 years now because I don't want something outdated. I've also been looking at Windows PCs, but damn, using FCPX and only knowing that kills me... and hackinthosh well... although I could have the knowledge to keep it running almost perfectly smoothly, I don't like playing with work tools, I want them to be super stable.

Is Apple me forcing to not only migrate to windows, but also having to learn a whole new editing software? (Adobe Premiere I guess).

Shame on you, Apple. FCP used to be the preferred tool for video editing.

 

[Anto38x]

Now THAT, is a Pro machine !!!
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I’m lucky. I don't use my Mac to make my living. If I did I’d probably have left the Macs behind ages ago. For work I like to plan and have versatility and Apple don't allow you to do that as they give you no indication of what’s coming. It’s all part of them trying to create some mystery. This worked back in the day across the entire range.
Now it’s time to do serious work people don't have time for childish keynotes with Ooh and Aah moments. They just want to know where the next Mac is and what it’ll do.

I totally agree H2SO4. I'm so starting to laugh at the "This is the best phone we have every made" + "This is the best iPad we have ever made" + "This is the very best laptop we have ever made". It's so phoney and childish also... overly pre rehearsed keynotes about a PHONE FFS!!! Don't get me wrong I would be lost without my phone or iPad.... but they don't make the bucks for me.... it's my Mac that makes me money... drives my business forward and without that clear path of progression development of the MacPro line of products, I worry for my business also, I will need to upgrade within the next year or so either way.... I just don't understand that with a company that size... they can't progress multiple products all at the same time... they must have the staff and R&D teams coming out their ears... they have become so careful and conservative... and dare I say it... STALE!! Ooopppss.... I said it!!
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I'm a heavy FCPX user, I professionally live out of video editing, I could say. (I know, FCPX is not the best professional tool out there, it's just the one I started off with and the only one I know. Gotta say though, I've managed to get a very high level on it).

My iMac does the job, but I've been holding off buying a nMP for almost 2 years now because I don't want something outdated. I've also been looking at Windows PCs, but damn, using FCPX and only knowing that kills me... and hackinthosh well... although I could have the knowledge to keep it running almost perfectly smoothly, I don't like playing with work tools, I want them to be super stable.

Is Apple me forcing to not only migrate to windows, but also having to learn a whole new editing software? (Adobe Premiere I guess).

Shame on you, Apple. FCP used to be the preferred tool for video editing.

Great comments "dasx".... I use FCPX for my personal home movies also.... but I do know all my other key is on PC.... but it's the macOS that I have been using the longest... and I don't wanna change... I have invested a big chunk of my life and my money into Apple products and I wanna stay doing that.... they have a Pro range of computers and they have a responsibility I feel to keep delivering the very best they can for that very loyal part of the Mac community. We just wanna get in with our work with the best possible tools we can get... and I have trusted Apple in the past to delivery on that relationship... but it's this extra long wait for the MacPro refresh has put that fragile trust in jeopardy... they should know better... but will they act on it.... only time will tell I suppose.... I'm giving them 12 more months and that's it. I reckon it will be Super Customised 5K iMac, but still holding out for new and improved spec MacPro.

 

[CapnDavey]

wait 3 days then film at 11

 

[NostromoUK]

I'm a heavy FCPX user, I professionally live out of video editing, I could say. (I know, FCPX is not the best professional tool out there, it's just the one I started off with and the only one I know. Gotta say though, I've managed to get a very high level on it).

My iMac does the job, but I've been holding off buying a nMP for almost 2 years now because I don't want something outdated. I've also been looking at Windows PCs, but damn, using FCPX and only knowing that kills me... and hackinthosh well... although I could have the knowledge to keep it running almost perfectly smoothly, I don't like playing with work tools, I want them to be super stable.

Is Apple me forcing to not only migrate to windows, but also having to learn a whole new editing software? (Adobe Premiere I guess).

Shame on you, Apple. FCP used to be the preferred tool for video editing.

I started with FCPX too..along with Premiere and Avid..but I made the switch to DaVinci Resolve a couple of years ago and have never looked back...plus it runs on Windows. Seriously, try it...I have never even opened FCPX since.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

If the MBP breaks new ground I will dump my cMP.

 

[JimGoshorn]

According to AppleInsider, Apple has trademarked 3 products in Russia and they are all portables so the likelihood of a MacPro seems extremely slim:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...-for-three-new-macbooks-ahead-of-oct-27-event

 

[whwang]

On the same boat here. MacPro 2010, 2*2.93 GHz, 96GB RAM, 500MB PCIe SSD, 4TB*5 internal HDs, GTX980. Mainly for science calculation and Photoshop. Am going to add a 10GB*2 network card to hook up to an 12-bay disk array. Still a great machine, but starts to feel old on some of the tasks I do. The lack of TB also severely limits the kind of external device I can use. I can still wait, but really want to have another powerful machine in probably two years. The question is, is there still a MacPro after two years? I need to use Photoshop, and also remain in a Unix or Linux environment. OSX is a perfect combination from the both sides. I am not sure I want to switch to a different platform, but I may not have a choice after two years. What Apple is going to do in the next few months (not necessarily Oct 27) will say a lot to me.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

I need to use Photoshop, and also remain in a Unix or Linux environment.

Photoshop is faster on Windows and Win10 now includes Bash ported from Ubuntu. Basically the only thing macOS has going for it anymore is Labels and some contextual menu consistent look (big fricking deal).

 

[jigme_senge]

For video production, Macs remain important because (1) years / decades of workflow experience which equals faster finishing, and (2) ProRes, the standard for delivery.

If there is no nMP news really soon, there will be a mass exodus to HP.

 

[fathergll]

I hope everyone realizes even if this is updated this year you know logically that this will be the last one for a long time and you will have zero indication 2-3 years from now about the next update so just remember this if you do decide to purchase it. If you’re cool with that then by all means purchase but this has been getting worse over the years NOT better and it effects all Apple computers(good luck getting a Mac Mini update). You need to vote with your dollars because there are other options out there that will get the job done just as good if you take the time to adapt.

 

[pat500000]

Does anyone think that even if Apple decide not to deliver a new update to the current MacPro on the 27th October, that this could be the end for the MacPro or could November delivery a surprise update...?

I have been waiting three years now... I have a MacPro 2 x 2.93 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon Mid 2010 with 500GB SSD plus 64GM RAM with QTY 3 x 3TB internal drives running macOS Sierra. It's still a great machine.... but there have been OS improvements over the years that aren't compatible with my machine and there have been many advancement in SSD technology, RAM and graphic cards... so a new machine would be a great boost to my graphic design / web design / large format design business.

Any comments most welcome.


Regards,
Anthony

There is at least a source stating that it will...and no..not the dgn guy.
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I hope everyone realizes even if this is updated this year you know logically that this will be the last one for a long time and you will have zero indication 2-3 years from now about the next update so just remember this if you do decide to purchase it. If you’re cool with that then by all means purchase but this has been getting worse over the years NOT better and it effects all Apple computers(good luck getting a Mac Mini update). You need to vote with your dollars because there are other options out there that will get the job done just as good if you take the time to adapt.

If it's not updated, then we should have taken Phil's comment literally way back in 2013. "decade."

 

[AidenShaw]

If it's not updated, then we should have taken Phil's comment literally way back in 2013. "decade."

That will be long past the "best by" date on the package.

It's also going to be difficult to get the older parts - even now DDR4-2400 RAM is cheaper than DDR3-1600 RAM. ($91 vs $104 for Kingston 16GiB ECC DIMMs at Newegg.)

 

[pat500000]

That will be long past the "best by" date on the package.

It's also going to be difficult to get the older parts - even now DDR4-2400 RAM is cheaper than DDR3-1600 RAM. ($91 vs $104 for Kingston 16GiB ECC DIMMs at Newegg.)

sigh....mac pro.....an ancient machine that was buried with many secrets.

 

[goMac]

With the rumored iMac and Thunderbolt Display delays, I don't know if I'd be too concerned. It's lame that there hasn't been an update yet, but it at least means there are desktop Mac updates coming.

Unless Apple issues an EOL notice and/or removes it from the store, it's not canceled. The November event would be a good time to cancel it, so if they don't, we're probably looking at an update.

If it's been three years and they haven't bothered to remove it from the store, they're probably holding on for an update.

Yeah, would be nice for November, but don't panic otherwise.

 

[pier]

If there is no nMP news really soon, there will be a mass exodus to HP.

What makes you think this isn't already happening?

 

[Derpage]

I totally get that you are a human being and you are comfortable in your Apple ecosystem. Comfortable humans don't like to change. It's a given. However, a lot of folks are putting the cart squarely before the horse and it's going to be nothing but pain and discomfort in the years to come. You can either plan to leave now, or leave without a plan when Apple decides for you. The marketing and product line are very much consumer products akin to Sony in the 80s. This is not a good sign for customers expecting a enterprise level experience.