What is this Mac laptop ..?

asifnaz

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What is this laptop and for what price I should buy it . What maximum Mac OS x version it can run..?

And I don't see it to use it as my primary computer .

(what are software available for it for media player word processor and internet browser..?

I really need your opinion ..
 

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adcx64

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Yep, that's a iBook G3 Clamshell. It really has no use by today's standards depending on what model you have. What are the specs?
 

Goftrey

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I wouldn't pay any money for them now as I'm not a collector. That's what they are now, a collector's item. They're really no good for day to day use now, although my little brother (12 yo) uses a blueberry to do his homework on to check Facebook & MSN. The keyboards are really nice on them as well. ;)

The max OS on a G3 is Tiger as well.
 

CoolmaxMini

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What is this laptop and for what price I should buy it . What maximum Mac OS x version it can run..?

And I don't see it to use it as my primary computer .

(what are software available for it for media player word processor and internet browser..?

I really need your opinion ..
It is the first of 2 iBook clamshell portables which came out during dot.com boom era (1999). Version without Firewire can support up to OSX Panther. Firewire version will support up to Tiger. You really can't do much with it today other just for some word processing and basic photo editing.
 

adcx64

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It is the first of 2 iBook clamshell portables which came out during dot.com boom era (1999). Version without Firewire can support up to OSX Panther. Firewire version will support up to Tiger. You really can't do much with it today other just for some word processing and basic photo editing.
I wouldn't go as far as saying photo editing... Unless your speaking of really really old and tiny files.
 

robvas

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I wouldn't go as far as saying photo editing... Unless your speaking of really really old and tiny files.
Macs were doing photo editing way, way before the iBook came out ;)

We were using a Blue and White G3 and a Lombard Powerbook to scan 35mm slides and work with them. They were 30-40MB TIFF files. This iBook would be able to handle that.
 

Hrududu

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Macs were doing photo editing way, way before the iBook came out ;)

We were using a Blue and White G3 and a Lombard Powerbook to scan 35mm slides and work with them. They were 30-40MB TIFF files. This iBook would be able to handle that.
Its more the 800x600 screen resolution that would make photo editing a problem. Mac OS 9 and Photoshop 7 would run but I sure wouldn't do it.
 

416049

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Macs were doing photo editing way, way before the iBook came out ;)

We were using a Blue and White G3 and a Lombard Powerbook to scan 35mm slides and work with them. They were 30-40MB TIFF files. This iBook would be able to handle that.
yes but i am guessing the previous poster was refering to aperture and such.
 

chrismacguy

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Macs were doing photo editing way, way before the iBook came out ;)

We were using a Blue and White G3 and a Lombard Powerbook to scan 35mm slides and work with them. They were 30-40MB TIFF files. This iBook would be able to handle that.
Under OS 9 yeah, Under OS X, especially Tiger, I doubt that would be a pleasant experience. (I still use my 300Mhz Original Clamshell to run Adobe PhotoShop 7 and InDesign 1.5 and they run very nicely on it, and handle relatively large designs), however its definitely not a system for that sort of thing under modern Mac OS X using modern software.
 

asifnaz

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It is the first of 2 iBook clamshell portables which came out during dot.com boom era (1999). Version without Firewire can support up to OSX Panther. Firewire version will support up to Tiger. You really can't do much with it today other just for some word processing and basic photo editing.
How clamshell is different from similar(square) ibook..? . I see it was running OS 9 . It is about 40$ . I know i cant use it for massive computing (I have a powerful PC for that ) . I want to buy it because it looks so cute .

How can I upgrade from 9 to X . (like can I upgrade directly from OS 9 to 10.3...? ) its 300 mhz 128 ram (if i remember correctly)
 

chrismacguy

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How clamshell is different from similar(square) ibook..? . I see it was running OS 9 . It is about 40$ . I know i cant use it for massive computing (I have a powerful PC for that ) . I want to buy it because it looks so cute .

How can I upgrade from 9 to X . (like can I upgrade directly from OS 9 to 10.3...? ) its 300 mhz 128 ram (if i remember correctly)
The clamshell is older with a lower resolution (800*600 opposed to 1024*768 display), and you need to upgrade it to at least 256MB RAM for Panther to run at all well, but you can upgrade from OS 9 to 10.3 directly.
 

Macman45

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I'd buy it too, but simply as a collectors piece. The idea of doing any serious work on it is simply not an option.

If you Google collectible Macs you will find plenty of enthusiasts for these old macs.
 

asifnaz

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The clamshell is older with a lower resolution (800*600 opposed to 1024*768 display), and you need to upgrade it to at least 256MB RAM for Panther to run at all well, but you can upgrade from OS 9 to 10.3 directly.
What Mac OS X can run in 128 mb ram...? and how can I get the OS itself..?

I am kind of collector but I dont have much to spend (a poor collector :D )
 

SuperCompu2

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What Mac OS X can run in 128 mb ram...? and how can I get the OS itself..?

I am kind of collector but I dont have much to spend (a poor collector :D )
Officially, probably 10.2 Jaguar, but if you thought the computer was crippled to begin with, just wait until you try to use Jaguar. 10.2 is a waste of time. I'd either bump the RAM and run Panther (10.3), or simply run OS 9 with iCab Browser or other older apps. The speed of OS 9 on G3s and G4s can be very surprising!
 

asifnaz

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Officially, probably 10.2 Jaguar, but if you thought the computer was crippled to begin with, just wait until you try to use Jaguar. 10.2 is a waste of time. I'd either bump the RAM and run Panther (10.3), or simply run OS 9 with iCab Browser or other older apps. The speed of OS 9 on G3s and G4s can be very surprising!
I wanted to use Unix
 

Imixmuan

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MintPPC

Some people have installed mintppc on their ibook G3 clamshells and report acceptable performance. An early ibook with only 4 mb of video ram will likely struggle, even with LXDE however, and probably having more than one application open at a time is going to bog down the CPU big time.

If someone gave me that ibook (I wouldn't buy one, frankly), I'd max out the RAM, stay with Limelight (OS 9), head over to macintosh garden and have me some fun. There is tons of abandonware on that site,from Photoshop to Pagemaker and tons of 0S 9 games (not to mention virtual game station, which makes your mac a portable playstation 1). As for web browsers, icab 3.8 is horrible, but Classilla is not, and 9.3 is out this week and most web sites I go to regularly (including this one, I am typing this in Classilla) render well if not perfectly. If they don't, there is usually a mobile site that will give you the same content without all the frackin javascript and flash.

Forget about youtube or any streaming video in Limelight, it's just not going to happen. You can download and convert to mov files that quicktime will play of course, but the quality is terrible, IMHO its just not worth it.
 

chrismacguy

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Officially, probably 10.2 Jaguar, but if you thought the computer was crippled to begin with, just wait until you try to use Jaguar. 10.2 is a waste of time. I'd either bump the RAM and run Panther (10.3), or simply run OS 9 with iCab Browser or other older apps. The speed of OS 9 on G3s and G4s can be very surprising!
Actually Panthers minimum requirement is 128MB. This is mainly because Apple was still shipping eMacs with just 128MB RAM at the time Panther was introduced, and I wouldn't recommend it for more than running a single app at a time. (Although it will definitely boot. Heck On a G4 with 128MB RAM Ive gotten 10.5 Leopard to boot and run a single app).

Also, you can generally find older versions of Mac OS X on ebay.
 
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asifnaz

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Some people have installed mintppc on their ibook G3 clamshells and report acceptable performance. An early ibook with only 4 mb of video ram will likely struggle, even with LXDE however, and probably having more than one application open at a time is going to bog down the CPU big time.

If someone gave me that ibook (I wouldn't buy one, frankly), I'd max out the RAM, stay with Limelight (OS 9), head over to macintosh garden and have me some fun. There is tons of abandonware on that site,from Photoshop to Pagemaker and tons of 0S 9 games (not to mention virtual game station, which makes your mac a portable playstation 1). As for web browsers, icab 3.8 is horrible, but Classilla is not, and 9.3 is out this week and most web sites I go to regularly (including this one, I am typing this in Classilla) render well if not perfectly. If they don't, there is usually a mobile site that will give you the same content without all the frackin javascript and flash.

Forget about youtube or any streaming video in Limelight, it's just not going to happen. You can download and convert to mov files that quicktime will play of course, but the quality is terrible, IMHO its just not worth it.
If I wanted Linux I would install Debian with LXDE on the Laptop I mentioned .That would run smoothly and with modern apps like latest chrome browser and VLC and abiword for word processing .

But , when this kind of laptop came out in 1999 I was a teenager and wanted this as hell but it cost a fortune at the time so I want to give it a try now . I am not a collector (IMO collectors are the people with heavy wallets who buy stuff not to use but to put in their showcase )

I will use this as a normal portable laptop to read PDF , web browsing (even no flash is OK ) , listen music MP3s and lightweight video files and some word processing .

where can I find abandon-ware for OS 9...?
 

Imixmuan

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Abandonware

Macintoshgarden. dot org. Site is down, and is down often. The legality of abandonware is questionable of course, but if they no longer sell it or support it...some say its fair game.

MintPPC is Debian, wheezy I think...with the linuxmint LXDE environment slapped on top. You owe it to yourself to check out mintppc.org. Developer is most helpful.
 

asifnaz

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Macintoshgarden. dot org. Site is down, and is down often. The legality of abandonware is questionable of course, but if they no longer sell it or support it...some say its fair game.

MintPPC is Debian, wheezy I think...with the linuxmint LXDE environment slapped on top. You owe it to yourself to check out mintppc.org. Developer is most helpful.
Thank you for the advice .
 

tom vilsack

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im using same clamshell...300MHz,288mb ram (32 built in,256 pc 100 sodimm)

-if you want to place osx on it you may need to upgrade the firmware
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1284?viewlocale=en_US
-forget using any version of osx other then panther (older versions are slower then panther and outdated software will leave you wanting)...you can install tiger using program "XPostFacto4" but it runs very slow on a 300MHz clam even if you max out the ram (which would be 544)
-if you do install panther and update to version 10.3.9 i would suggest browser camino 1.6.11
http://caminobrowser.org/releases/1.6.11/
-i dual boot panther and mac os 9.2.2 and use classilla web browser (works great and runs fairly fast)
http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/

-i use my clamshell everyday and find it very useful for what i need it for...i mainly use os 9.2.2 and have a ton of older software from macintoshgarden.org
-don't except it to youtube or even slighty "bloated" (for lack of better term) web sites...but macrumors runs great as do most.
 

0ranges

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At the macintosh garden and in torrents, here are some apps that ran good on my iBook G3 300mhz (when I had one) - Quake 1, Quake 2, Quake 3, Marathon1-Infinity, Diablo 1-2, Starcraft, Warcraft 1-2, The Sims, Bugdom, and MAME, NES, SNES SEGA Emulators work awesome on it. With a USB gamepad which are dirt chip, you can have any game system you want pre-1999!



EDIT: It would make a good digital photo frame in the corner of the room :p
 
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