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-i like the looks of the ppc's (ibook clams,imac G4 ect)
-with classilla and usb-overdrive (to scroll mouse) os 9.2.2 is so nice
-i love to tinker,taking apart a old ibook clam is my idea of a fun evening

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I like PowerPC because it feels genuinely Apple, rather than just a bunch of PC parts in an aluminum enclosure. For me it's money. I'm a student so I don't have a lot of money...in fact I never have. I have a G5 as my workhorse, and it does the job very well. I use the laptop I got in 2002 (PB G4 12" 1.33) as my portable, because I love the form factor so much!
 
The 7448 are no longer sold by Newertech. You would need to find one on ebay. A single 7448 (1.8GHz+) is faster than any dual G4. It's a 90nm chip vs the 130-200nm size of all the other G4 so that alone makes a huge difference in efficiency and performance.

The 7447 is the only CPU still used by Newertech and they are the only company on earth that still have G4 upgrades manufactured. The 7448 upgrades were about twice as much money as the 7447 so they sold 3-4 7447 for every 1 7448. Because of low demand it cost more to make the 7448 daughter cards than they made from selling them so they ceased making them. The 7447 however still makes them a bit of money and is cheaper to buy parts for and make.

If you can somehow hookup with a company that has access to buying chips directly from Freescale then you could buy one of the rare 7448 that are still made but without any kind of daughter card. The 7448 is now geared toward Computer on a Chip technology and has evolved into the e600. Computer on a Chip systems are used to control things like factories, dams, power stations etc.

So, just to be sure, there is no other vendor offering 7448 G4 for sale other than finding them used on ebay? That sucks I hate ebay
 
As I already explained.. they are no longer made. NewerTech and OWC are the same company and the NT sight has not been updated in well over a year.

They are not made any longer. Period. Everyone got that now?

If you want a G4 upgrade you have to find a used 7448 or buy a new 7447. It's not like the 7447 is gutless.. it just doesn't have the beef of a 7448 or even a 7455. A 1.6GHz 7447 is a very decent CPU but a 7448 is much better if you can find one. A 1.3GHz+ 7455 would be slightly better than the 1.6GHz 7447. You can find 7455 upgrades much more than 7448. I bought my 7448 new in 09.
 
As I already explained.. they are no longer made. NewerTech and OWC are the same company and the NT sight has not been updated in well over a year.

They are not made any longer. Period. Everyone got that now?

If you want a G4 upgrade you have to find a used 7448 or buy a new 7447. It's not like the 7447 is gutless.. it just doesn't have the beef of a 7448 or even a 7455. A 1.6GHz 7447 is a very decent CPU but a 7448 is much better if you can find one. A 1.3GHz+ 7455 would be slightly better than the 1.6GHz 7447. You can find 7455 upgrades much more than 7448. I bought my 7448 new in 09.

Hey zen, relax, it must be tiring to be so wound up all the time. Your insight would be much more appreciated without the snarky attitude.

Thanks for the information though.
 
Hey zen, relax, it must be tiring to be so wound up all the time. Your insight would be much more appreciated without the snarky attitude.

Thanks for the information though.


I'm not being "snarky" at all. Simply just trying to confirm that you understand what I had to type twice.

There are some really sensitive people on this board. I didn't cuss, insult you or anything like that yet I'm told to relax? Maybe it would be better to not help at all. Then I wouldn't have to type the same info twice or even once.
 
I'm not being "snarky" at all. Simply just trying to confirm that you understand what I had to type twice.

There are some really sensitive people on this board. I didn't cuss, insult you or anything like that yet I'm told to relax? Maybe it would be better to not help at all. Then I wouldn't have to type the same info twice or even once.

I hope you realize that -not insulting- someone is not the same as being nice.

And yeah, my grandfather used to say, "when someone asks you for a favor, do it in the worst manner possible, it will ensure that they don't bother you again" ... to each his own.

Edited to say that I do appreciate your knowledge on the subject.
 
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I'm not being "snarky" at all. Simply just trying to confirm that you understand what I had to type twice.

There are some really sensitive people on this board. I didn't cuss, insult you or anything like that yet I'm told to relax? Maybe it would be better to not help at all. Then I wouldn't have to type the same info twice or even once.

Okay, this really needs to be made a sticky "Can I Upgrade my G4 with a new 7447/7448?: No. Get it off eBay as their no longer in production.", as zen is right, this gets asked probably twice a week here, at least (Its getting better, but only I think because the interest in PPCs is dying down with Intel's being cheaper - sad but true), and I personally don't see him as being snarky, just frustrated that people aren't reading the thread, or if they are, are just asking the same thing for the umpteenth time.

No offence to either side, because we really need a sticky with all this stuff (Somewhere there is/was a PPC FAQ going around - it really needs to be stickied) just to save zen (and in many prior instances me as well, and several others) what is a rather annoying process of mental copy and paste.


Also back to the original question:
I love my PowerPCs. I can't use them full-time as well, I have to use Intel-only products for a lot of what I do, but my main personal-use computer is a PowerMac G4 MDD Dual 867. It might be noisy, but I don't mind, and it handles all my needs with aplomb in a design thats significantly different to the Mac Pro it sits next too, as well as most PC Towers. It also feels like a proper Mac and lets me run my lovely Mac OS 9 Apps Im still attached to.
 
I hope you realize that -not insulting- someone is not the same as being nice.

And yeah, my grandfather used to say, "when someone asks you for a favor, do it in the worst manner possible, it will ensure that they don't bother you again" ... to each his own.

I simply have a real pet peeve against redundancy. I apologize if I offended you and monkeybagel also helped cloud the issue a bit.

I am happy to help a fellow G4 tower user so feel free to ask me other questions if you need.

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Thanks for you kind words and logic on this, chrismacguy. :)
 
I simply have a real pet peeve against redundancy. I apologize if I offended you and monkeybagel also helped cloud the issue a bit.

I am happy to help a fellow G4 tower user so feel free to ask me other questions if you need.

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Thanks for you kind words and logic on this, chrismacguy. :)


Well thanks a lot, honest.

And now back on topic, I have been using my G4 Powerbook to play Black and White, its an amazing game and I have really been reminiscing.

Great thread btw.
 
I actually don't use a PPC anymore, but there are definitely some things I miss from computers of that era. I needed a faster machine for my work, so I had to buy a new intel machine, but honestly I think the stability is significantly worse now, and the design of the hardware itself is significantly less usable now, and the appearance of the machines is definitely not as awesome as they used to look.

Specifically, I had an aluminum powerbook 15", and I moved directly to an intel core i5 2010 MBP. The pluses are that it's faster, allows me to run modern software, and has a webcam and a camera card slot. However, there are lots of downsides.

For instance, the trackpad-as-button thing is annoying, it's not uncommon that when I try to click the mouse button it also simultaneously moves the cursor and I wind up clicking on the wrong thing.

Another example is the keyboard. This new MBP keyboard is vastly inferior to the older aluminum PB keyboards - the feel of it is much cheaper, it doesn't have the contours that used to let your fingers comfortably rest into the keys, the keyboard backlight has much more light spillage around the sides of the keys than the old PB keys had, the black keys are ugly, the white text on black keys is much less readable in low light than the PB's silver keys where I rarely ever had to turn on the key backlight.

Also, despite the fact that I opted for the high-res anti-glare (matte) screen on the MBP, the screen is actually inferior to my old alum PB's screen (when it was new). The new screens seem to be much less readable, seem to cause more eye strain, and seem to have a significantly narrower viewing angle before image distortions occur.

On top of all that, the new intel MBP is less stable than my old PPC alum book was during its prime years. I can't specifically say if it's the intel hardware, or the intel version of OS X, but in either case the result is the same. On my old alum PB I got 1, maybe at most 2 kernel panics in a year, but on my new intel MBP if I use a specific piece of software (who shall remain unnamed) I wind up getting a kernel panic about every month or two. Obviously some of the blame falls on to that particular app, but the bigger portion of blame has to fall on the shoulders of the OS that is allowing an app to cause a kernel panic.

Bottom line: I had to get a newer intel machine to do the modern tasks that I have to do, but in most other ways the newer MBP is significantly inferior to the old PPC aluminum Powerbook.
 
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I hear that about the older keyboards quite often - almost like the ThinkPad keyboards that many like so well - but everything it seems is going to the chicklet style keyboard.

As for the 7447/7448 - I thought that maybe NewerTech may have gotten them back in stock or something. I had not dealt with them before and had no idea they were OWC.
 
I agree with the keyboard feel on the PowerBooks, the keyboard on the Intel macs are no match.

I have both and I really like the keyboard feel on the powerbooks. Saving up some more for an SSD upgrade on my 15" PB.
 
I agree with the keyboard feel on the PowerBooks, the keyboard on the Intel macs are no match.

I have both and I really like the keyboard feel on the powerbooks. Saving up some more for an SSD upgrade on my 15" PB.

Macmall has a 64gb SSD deal for 99.98 going on now.
 
I have decided to really get down to the basics as monkeybagel still seems to not understand.

All the G4 chips that have ever existed:
7400 - 7410 - 7450 - 7455 - 7457 - 7447 - 7448

The only ones still manufactured by Freescale are the 7447 and 7448. Freescale only makes the bare CPU and you need a company like OWC to solder one on a daughter card and make it work in a Mac. In other words build a complete daughter card with only a bare CPU to start. Thats the only way to get a new 7448 daughter card. You also can't just solder a 7448 chip onto a 7447 board due to the different chip sizes and much of the supporting card hardware is different between the two.

Also, the only way to buy direct from Freescale to get a 7448 is to be a legit manufacturer of computers and/or parts.

OWC/NewerTech only still gets the 7447 upgrades made because of low 7448 sales due to a much higher price. Any lay person is going to buy the upgrade that lists the same speed but is half the price.
 
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I have decided to really get down to the basics as monkeybagel still seems to not understand.

Thank you for spelling it out. I could be a little slow at catching on at some things as on October 10 I got ill that affected my cognitive function. It's coming back but is a little slow.
 
Thank you for spelling it out. I could be a little slow at catching on at some things as on October 10 I got ill that affected my cognitive function. It's coming back but is a little slow.

Sorry to hear about that. Lets hope for a speedy recovery!
 
What keeps me on PowerPC

Cameron Kaiser. More specifically Tenfourfox. More specifically the ability to thumb my nose at youtube et al and watch webvideo the powers that be say I shouldn't be able view to on my obsolete hardware.
 
Cameron Kaiser. More specifically Tenfourfox. More specifically the ability to thumb my nose at youtube et al and watch webvideo the powers that be say I shouldn't be able view to on my obsolete hardware.

This is all very true but why do so many focus on YT? There are so many other great things you can do on a Mac besides YT.

I find MacTubes a much better snub to YT or people that say PowerPC is too old to use.
 
Most people just don't have any idea how much these can still and will still do for them. The newest and the greatest, either in s/w or h/w is not everything that you need to get the job done and enjoy computing. It's a pity apple left us in the dark.
 
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