Ok, lets ignore the rest of what you said as i cannot be bothered to reply to that garbage.
You still have not stated WHY you have to have a Mac Book Pro.
Just how many professional games programmers do you know that exclusively and ONLY use a Mac Book Pro? Or do they all use desktop computers? My point with that is, it isn't many is it so just why should Apple appeal to that market rather then video production and photography?
And the facts are facts mate, you keep going on about Pro, my point was, it may carry a Pro badge but it IS the ONLY 15" model Apple offer so it has to appeal to a big market of consumers and Pros.
And why are you all STILL going on about the price? You clearly have NO idea what you are talking about. I don't either but I'm not stupid enough to try and present my 'guesses' as facts in my argument.
A small minuscule cost eh? Hmm, well why don't you think of it as $5 a chip. as an example.
Now times that $5 by thousands and thousands that apple will buy, now take a look at the impact on the bottom line margin profit.......
Apple IS a business that's out to make money first.
And ATI has a history of annoying Apple:
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/emerging-tech/2000/07/24/ati-suffers-wrath-of-jobs-2080337/
Ok, this is ridiculous and I think that everyone else on this forum has come to the conclusion that you're a misleading and manipulative trolling moron. Although for the benefit of other readers, I shall respond. First I shall post the points which you didn't quote which you somehow interpreted in (not sure you can call what you have a mind) your unstable psyche to be "garbage". It seems as though you view all that is beyond your comprehension or ability to refute comes under the definition of "garbage".
1. I made my account several posts earlier; LIKE THE FIRST POST I MADE, regardless of manufacturer I stated why TWO SPECIFIC CARDS WERE SUPERIOR.
4. What adverts have you been seeing? JUST LOOK @ THE MACBOOK PRO MAIN PAGE.
6. Um, ATI stream technology is just as good as CUDA, and you'd have a more powerful, more energy efficient, cooler and smaller GPU to do the same job. So again, you choose to ignore facts and cherry pick figures WHICH HAVE NO RELATION to the argument and are UNSUBSTANTIATED and thus skew the overall point.
8. ATI cards have interchangeable options (between an integrated and dedicated GPU).
And the point that summed you up perfectly:
9. You are clearly a rabid Apple fanboy who wishes to skew figures and statements made by others which happen to contradict your narrow view; do you not realise that criticism is good for the consumer, which is what Apple is
A CONSUMER BASED COMPANY. Yeah, lets just give Apple nothing but praise, then they'll just keep putting underpowered crap in their machines and everyone will be happy and stupid enough to buy them.
Now to respond to your latest frothing from the mouth:
1. First of all, it's irrelevant as to why I want a MacBook Pro. I want to get a machine which has OS X/unix/build quality/features of a MacBook Pro that will LAST, and @ that resolution (1920x1200), it's failed upon release. I program, create the odd game and play them; I want to be able to do that in a mobile form (like I could when I bought the mid 2007 MBP) for the duration of my degree.
2. To answer your first question, I personally know 3 who all program their creations on their 15/17" MBPs. I know many others impersonally who use MBPs as their primary machine; that however is irrelevant and another distraction from the main point. The point is that in a TOP END NOTEBOOK like the 17" MBP, the GT330m (which is the under-clocked version!) with only 512MB GDDR3 does not cut it doing anything graphically intensive @ 1920x1200 or resolutions close to that. And with Open CL apps (WHICH ARE USED IN VIDEO PRODUCTION AND PHOTO DECOMPRESSION), a more powerful GPU IS A NECESSITY. So really, with this GPU Apple isn't even appealing to that market (which they've never stated they exclusively target; another paper tiger to distract).
3. THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT MODELS OF THE 15", MORON! THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME GPU, NO MATTER WHAT MODEL YOU BUY. What I'm objecting to is that the products, from the 15 to 17" range, do not scale in terms of GPU power. In the top 15" or @ LEAST the 17" they should have included or @ LEAST the option to have a superior card @ that display res. There's no point in having a powerful CPU when the majority of choke points are the result of insufficient GPU power. Do you know nothing of computing?
4. I do have an idea what I'm talking about, as I've researched the market thoroughly. You have not. In comparable laptops with equal specs excluding the GPU, the laptops with 5650s and 5730s are between $50 and $100 cheaper than those with a GT330m. Also, the desktop market is analogous to the mobile market in terms of competing prices, as they all use the same manufacturing processes. At this time, ATI are creaming NVidia. To get the same performance from an NVidia card, you have to spend @ least 30% more.
Talking about Apple's bottom line? They're no where near it. Compare the prices of other laptops with equal specs, add say $600 ($400 for the high grade aluminium alloy laser etched enclosure) for features which you don't get in others, and then see how much the difference is. You're going to have @ least $400 difference between the current MBP line-up and another laptop of equal spec. If they put in a card even $50 more expensive (which would probably get you a GTS360m @ least (and that's not wholesale, Apple would get it for a lot less) which would be great for the 17" MacBook Pro. Even if they don't want to eat into their considerable profit margin, they can just have it as a CTO option and get even MORE money. Either way you look at it, limiting the 15" high res MBP and ESPECIALLY the 17" with an underclocked GT330m is nothing short of a blunder. It's not enough to make me not get one however, but it is to so many others.
