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Hi all,

I have a 27” Late 2013 24gb ram iMac that died a year ago, it’s the fusion drive version and it was the HDD that died

it’s now running Catalina OK on the SSD, but that’s is only 128gb (I think) is it worth me upgrading to a decent SSD - 1 or 2tb or/and stick another HDD in also

it’s just gathering dust at the moment so not sure if it’s worth selling or if I can use it for another purpose!

Any thoughts would be greatfully received!

D
 
you could run an external drive, for now, and install it later if you want.

I have a late 20 1327 inch iMac, that was a BTO model with the best of everything, with exception of the storage. It has a 2 or 3 TB HDD that is currently dead.

I got it for really cheap on eBay, because they had it listed for parts. I suspected based off of the description, it was just a bad HDD, and it paid off as I was right.

I got a 2 TB 2.5 inch HDD that I am currently booting from a Thunderbolt enclosure, but I plan on installing it internally soon so I can use Boot Camp.

You could get internal SSDs for really cheap right now. A couple weeks ago someone had a similar question on the forum, and I found a name brand 2TB 2.5 inch SDD for $128 on NewEgg. You don’t need to get Thunderbolt, you could just run it using USB. Either an enclosure, or just a SATA adapter cable, both could be purchased for around $10.

You can run it like that for a while, and if you decide to install it internally, you could always do that later.
 
s it worth me upgrading to a decent SSD - 1 or 2tb
It probably not worth it to upgrade the blade SSD unless you plan on doing an internal SW RAID.

The Late 2013 blade SSD is limited to SATAIII Speeds, so no speed benefit in changing the blade over replacing the HDD with a SSD.

You might as well just replace the HDD with a 2.5" SATA SSD, as it will have the same speed increase, but will be much easier and quicker to install, and cheaper as well.
 
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or/and stick another HDD in also
Just my opinion, but I would never take the time to open the iMac and put another HDD inside.

Not even counting the time and effort to open it, but just having that spinning heat machine trapped inside the iMac when an SSD would be a lot better, just doesn't make sense to do it.

Maybe if you needed a very large amount of storage space, and you could not use external storage for whatever reason, then I guess I could understand why someone would used an HDD internally in a Late 2013 iMac rather than a faster, cool-running, SSD. But, if this isn't your situation, I just wouldn't do it.
 
Hi mate

thanks so much for your replies really helpful, so do you think there would be much speed difference from me replacing the internal hdd to an ssd compare to using an external ssd via a USB port? it would save me a lot of hassle removing the screen, buying adhesive strips and tools etc, was looking at the Samsung t5 or crucial x8 for externals! Cheers D
 
Hi mate

thanks so much for your replies really helpful, so do you think there would be much speed difference from me replacing the internal hdd to an ssd compare to using an external ssd via a USB port? it would save me a lot of hassle removing the screen, buying adhesive strips and tools etc, was looking at the Samsung t5 or crucial x8 for externals! Cheers D
Don't use a USB external drive. Since these iMacs use USB 2.0, boot speeds and daily speed will be on par or worse than a mechanical drive. Speeds advertised on the drives (eg: T5/T7) are correct but are for USB 3.1/3.2.
The 2013 uses USB 3.0, so you will get better speed than a mech, but not by much.

If you really don't want to open the iMac up, you will need to buy a Thunderbolt 3/4 enclosure (most these days are M.2 NVMe but there are SATA versions too) and the Apple Thunderbolt 2 to 3 adapter + TB2 cable. You might still be able to buy Thunderbolt 1/2 enclosures, though you'll have to for used items most likely.
 
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Don't use a USB external drive. Since these iMacs use USB 2.0, boot speeds and daily speed will be on par or worse than a mechanical drive. Speeds advertised on the drives (eg: T5/T7) are correct but are for USB 3.1/3.2. If you really don't want to open the iMac up, you will need to buy a Thunderbolt 3/4 enclosure (most these days are M.2 NVMe but there are SATA versions too) and the Apple Thunderbolt 2 to 3 adapter + TB2 cable. You might still be able to buy Thunderbolt 1/2 enclosures, though you'll have to for used items most likely.
2013 iMacs have USB 3.0 so a little better than a mechanical drive.

Just crack it open and put a SATA SSD in it. I promise it isn't as bad as it seems. just follow a guide on IFIXIT and go really slow.
 
You could attach external drive cabinets to it and use it as a file/backup server. Unless you really like cracking the case on an iMac, it’s much easier to add externals.
 
so do you think there would be much speed difference from me replacing the internal hdd to an ssd compare to using an external ssd via a USB port?
Replacing any of the internal drives would give you about 600Mbps sequential read/write. Compared to a HDD, it will feel a lot faster due to the much higher random read/write speeds.

With your Late 2013 iMac, there is a lot of SSD options for you, both internal and external, but the cheapest, which is also probably the easiest, is using a 2.5" SATA drive externally with an USB3 enclosure or USB3/SATA adapter cable. Decent speeds, but the biggest problem is the lack of TRIM support over USB, which could be an issue for the long term. Although, there are plenty of people using USB boot drives without issues.

SATA SSD over USB is cheap, as you can get a 2TB 2.5" SATA SSD for less than $130, or a 1TB for less than $60. 2.5" SATA USB3 enclosures cost about $10-$15.

I like using USB3/SATA Adapter cables, because it just makes things so much easier, although, not as clean of a look. I like this one because the cable is a longer than many other ones I have used:

Currently, $10.79.

If you are looking for a name brand SSD, here is a 2TB PNY from NewEgg for only $138:

There are cheaper ones with good reviews, but with obscure brands that I never heard of.

would be much speed difference
Like I said, there are plenty of options for the Late 2013 iMac, all with pros and cons, here are the external options:

SD Card - IIRC, I think it is limited to 5000Mbps link speed, and you would only see those speeds with a high speed SD card, which is very expensive. Not worth it, imo, but still an option. No TRIM support as well.

USB3 - About 400MBps max. Cheap, and easy to get and set up. No TRIM support. You can get a SSD external drive like the Samsung T5, or get a cheaper SATA SSD with an enclosure or USB3 SATA cable adapter. Recommended for most people unless higher speeds is required.

TB1 - A SATA SSD would be about the same speed as a USB3 SSD, but you get TRIM support. Hard to find these drives, and eBay would probably be the best way to source them. Probably not worth it, as they are expensive.

TB2 - Basically the same as the TB1 drive on your iMac if you use a SATA SSD. You can also find some NVMe and AHCI TB2 SSD enclosures. They tend to be pricey, but you could see speeds close to 800MBps on the NVMe TB2 drives that I have researched before. Just like the TB1, probably not worth it do to price. Has TRIM support.

TB3 - A TB3 NVMe drive is the fastest single non-RAID drive you can get for you Mac. Speeds over 900MBps, but at a cost. Requires Apple bidirectional adapter. Depending on the set up, could require a TB3 dock to power the drive. NVMe drives are falling in price, but between the drive, the bidirectional adapter, and maybe something to power the drive, this could be an expensive option. Also has TRIM support. Probably not worth it due to complexity and cost, unless you need that super fast speed.

USB3.2 Gen2x1 - 10Gbps link speed, easy to find. No TRIM support. The biggest issue with this is that you need to have a TB3 dock with 10Gbps USB ports, and also a bidirectional adapter to connect it to your Mac. I have never tried this, but would think speeds of 700MBps would be realitistic. Probably not worth it due to complexity and cost.

Internal options for the Late 2013 iMac:
HDD to SATA SSD Swap - Cheapest internal option, speeds over 600Mbps, TRIM support. Nice to get that hot running HDD out of the Mac. Biggest downside is removing the glass/display, cleaning up, and using the adhesive strips to put it back together.

Blade SSD swap/adapter - More complex install due to removing the logic board. More expensive than replacing the HDD with a SATA SSD, but same speeds. Has TRIM Support. Not worth it on the Late 2013, imo.

Internal RAID0 - Replacing both the blade SSD and the HDD swap with a SATA SSD. Both drives made into a SW stripping RAID. I think this would be the fastest possible boot drive on the Late 2013 iMac, probably 1000MBps+ speeds. I could be wrong, but I think there is no TRIM support. Obviously more complex, but probably still cheaper than doing a single external TB3 NVMe drive, while still being faster. Probably not worth it, but I am thinking of doing this on one of my Late 2012 or Late 2013 iMacs just for fun.



Piece of advice, if you decide to swap the internal drive, either one, I would set it up externally first and make sure it boots up and it working correctly. After testing it, then do the internal swap.

Install the latest OS on the internal drive prior to pulling it to make sure all the firmware is updated. You said you are running Catalina, but I am unsure if that was a clone or if you installed Catalina on the current SSD. If you just cloned the OS to the internal SSD, then the firmware may still need to be updated.

Wait on putting your display back on your iMac, meaning do not put the adhesive strips on right away. You can put the display back on, and use painters tape to hold the display glass onto the iMac body. This way, you can test everything, makes sure it works without issues prior to glueing stuff back together.
 
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but the cheapest, which is also probably the easiest, is using a 2.5" SATA drive externally with an USB3 enclosure or USB3/SATA adapter cable.
I forgot to add another benefit of doing a 2.5" SATA SSD externally using an enclosure or adapter (versus a USB SSD like the Samsung T5) is that you can always install it internally later on if you choose to.

Set it up externally, make sure it boots okay, then if you decide that you want it internal, then you already have the drive to use. Just open up the Mac, install the drive, and it is ready to use since it was already set up externally.
 
Hi all,

I have a 27” Late 2013 24gb ram iMac that died a year ago, it’s the fusion drive version and it was the HDD that died

it’s now running Catalina OK on the SSD, but that’s is only 128gb (I think) is it worth me upgrading to a decent SSD - 1 or 2tb or/and stick another HDD in also

it’s just gathering dust at the moment so not sure if it’s worth selling or if I can use it for another purpose!

Any thoughts would be greatfully received!

D

You have the following options for internal upgrade.

1. Replacing the 128GB SSD of your iMac with another blade from the same year model, but bigger capacity. It's pricey, but hassle free. If you choose modestly, it's still affordable.


2. Replacing the 128GB SSD with an adapter + aftermarket nVME SSD. This is troublesome and the gain is limited, due to PCIe gen 2 low speed + bus sharing. Real speed is less than 900MB/s.

3. Add a 1TB 2.5" SSD to the place of the dead HDD. In benchmark, max speed is 500~550MB/s. You can also do it externally first, then open the iMac to move it inside.

If you consider Option No. 2, check the below post first. Not an easy task.

 
I'm using a 2010 and have had my eye on several 2013s running from $200 - $275 locally. So yes, I think that a 2013 is usable, even today. I would hand a USB 3 SSD off the back, throw in 32 GB of RAM and it would be fine. If I can run with a 2010, a 2013 would be a piece of cake.
 
when the HDD in my 2010 iMac died, I booted it from an external FW-SSD - it was working quite well until I upgraded to a new Mini
 
when the HDD in my 2010 iMac died, I booted it from an external FW-SSD - it was working quite well until I upgraded to a new Mini

I ran my 2009 off external Firewire as well until the OWC enclosure died. That was a major disappointment for me as it's the only enclosure that I've had that has died. It was a good solution while it lasted.
 
Thanks so much all, really helpful, I think I'm going to run an external 1TB SSD for a while and then when I get a chance install it internally! I'm in the UK so looking at the below combo any thoughts? I thought for £85 it wasn't bad but happy for other suggestions!


 
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Thanks so much all, really helpful, I think I'm going to run an external 1TB SSD for a while and then when I get a chance install it internally! I'm in the UK so looking at the below combo any thoughts? I thought for £85 it wasn't bad but happy for other suggestions!



I use Innotek enclosures but there's not much difference between them. The Crucial SSD is fine. I have enclosures as I have spare smaller SSDs that I used in the past and sometimes repurpose them.
 
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Hi mate

thanks so much for your replies really helpful, so do you think there would be much speed difference from me replacing the internal hdd to an ssd compare to using an external ssd via a USB port? it would save me a lot of hassle removing the screen, buying adhesive strips and tools etc, was looking at the Samsung t5 or crucial x8 for externals! Cheers D
Another option that I used on a 2011 iMac was to purchase a used rugged Lacie hdd drive. The Orange one that has a captive Thunderbolt cable as well as a usb socket. Take the hdd out and replace with a Sata ssd. This supports trim. On my old 2011 iMac I attached it to the back of the stand. So it couldn’t be seen.

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Ooh I like that idea, I've purchased a 1tb crucial SSD, which I could use internally or externally, but will take a look at this option! thanks for taking the time to post!
 
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