Don't most of these features require additional and/or bigger screens and integration with the car's controls? Doesn't sound that easy to me, but perhaps I am missing something
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What to Expect From All-New CarPlay, Still Listed as Coming 'Late 2023'
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Don't most of these features require additional and/or bigger screens and integration with the car's controls? Doesn't sound that easy to me, but perhaps I am missing something
I'd heavily consider whatever new car comes out that fully supports this whole car integrated CarPlay.
I’d guess that another requirement MIGHT be OTA updates. The manufacturer and Apple likely both want a way to ensure that whatever the latest patch is, it can get to the car unimpeded by flash drives.
Car manufacturers are much more interested in selling new cars than keeping Apple customers happy! But, to be fair, they are such monolotihic organisations that getting anything done probably takes years. And they could be weighed down by safety regulations and strict testing requirements. Anything that messes about with your dashboard can potentially cause havoc.
yep, we ripped out the stock EnTune in our Toyota and replaced it with a Kenwood with CarPlay. Best decision we ever made.
The appeal of CarPlay/Android Auto for auto companies is it requires minimal effort - they can outsource all the infotainment system work to Apple/Google and not worry about it. That works well with them, since they've never cared - they've always outsourced this work to other companies.
If they cared enough to provide updates, they'd care enough to just make a good infotainment system and not outsource it to Apple/Google.
Incidentally, a growing number of companies are realizing that Tesla's (like Apple's) appeal is that the entire product was made by one company with a singular vision. No user-facing design work was outsourced, and so we're starting to see them backtrack on their adoption of CarPlay at all.
CarPlay is a lot like Safari on Windows or iTunes on a Motorola phone - it's misguided and confusing what Apple thinks they're doing. Why is Apple trying to control just the software and outsource all the hardware? That's the kind of nonsense that Microsoft used to do with Windows.
Lol to thinking Tesla doesn't have a poor/slow UI...I've never dealt with a worse UI than my rental Tesla.
Just pure chaos with zero buttons and nothing intuitive.
Meanwhile CarPlay and Ford's interface in the Mach-E is excellent
this will be nice in 5 or 6 years when I'm in the market for a new car again ... meanwhile, enjoying "regular old" wireless CarPlay in our 2 vehicles, works great!
I can’t wait for an incoming call to take over the instrument cluster…
Looks great - but surely by putting more controls on a flat screen, drivers are more encouraged to look away from the road? Ie, turning on the air con / cycling through menus?
You can feel physical controls while keeping attention on the road.
You can feel physical controls while keeping attention on the road.
got an after market unit in my 2015. Share play is pretty cool. I do have to authorize the other person every time we turn the car off and on, which is sort of inconvenient.
Also noticed that even when the other person picks the song to play in my car, the song is actually playing from my phone that is wired to the head unit. I asked my kid to select a song and then power off her phone and the song keep playing as the test.
Also noticed that even when the other person picks the song to play in my car, the song is actually playing from my phone that is wired to the head unit. I asked my kid to select a song and then power off her phone and the song keep playing as the test.
SJ is rolling in his grave right now.
He liked physical buttons and knobs to control things in a vehicle.
not all this touch screen crap...
He liked physical buttons and knobs to control things in a vehicle.
not all this touch screen crap...
As an ex automotive infotainment engineer, I’m glad that I will not be helping to integrate this! If they get it right, it will be awesome, but I doubt that there’s much appetite for it from automakers.
I agree with your second point though.
I expect that it will be more than just firmware update, although it could be done. As you say, I doubt any automakers will do it though, they’ll just want you to buy a new car.
I expect that there will be.
Automakers move s l o w l y.
You should try some of the early development versions, I remember having to test one system because I was the only person that it would understand. Somehow this wasn’t seen as an issue…
I expect Ford hope you’ll buy a new car if you want the new features.
I expect that it will be a set of APIs, I very much doubt that Apple will want their code on a multitude of infotainment platforms.
I agree with your second point though.
All that will be on the CAN bus for most cars, it might not currently be gatewayed to the infotainment module, but any car that has these on screens, which will be needed for CarPlay has to have it digitally to be o. The screen in the first place.
Exactly this. My main question about this is how Apple are going to get around the ASIL rating required for some of this, even for non safety critical software automotive standards and testing are very stringent.
The thing is they will still need to have a fallback user interface. I don’t think car companies are overly keen on handing the UI, and crucially the user data to tech companies, as they could monetise it themselves. I think they consider it a necessary evil because customers want it, and their competitors have it.
If you came here for accurate info from the journalists, you'll sometimes be disappointed. But, thanks to posters like you, the readers get solid info, for which I thank you!It doesn't say coming 2023 at all.
It says "Vehicle announcements coming in late 2023", which is a very different thing. Most likely a list of cars that won't be released until this time next year
Agree... Ford's SYNC 4A interface is actually very nice. The UI is well thought out and not laggy.
I would think something like a head up display (on the windscreen or Vision Pro style on glasses) is the way to go. Not necessarily styling the car instruments like an iPhone? Think F-35.
Car companies want to "add value" to remind you of their brand so surely are very reluctant to deploy car play. I don't even care about cars, which is the car companies' greatest fear: commoditization.
I hear you... its so slow that by the time I looked back at the road ahead I was in process of crashing into the back of a truck and didnt have enough time to finish what I was doing within the air con settings.
I hear you... within a few years or so they will be clamping down hard on these distractions. I think the only good thing about this.. is perhaps a sort of black box device.. with the amount of tech in the car they could record every user interaction, every vehicle movement and crash detection signals. So post accident.. you will have to own up to what you were doing in the moments before a crash.. otherwise the data will get you.
