But those don't integrate well into the Apple eco system so these devices for me are a 100% no, my HomePods, iPhone, iPad ect I want all working seamlessly together.
While my HomePods work as hubs, so do my Apple TVs which I need.
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What to Expect From the Next-Generation Apple TV Launching Next Year
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While my HomePods work as hubs, so do my Apple TVs which I need.
Had the same problem when trying to hide the cables as it kept sliding, had to use some blu tack under the ATV to hold it in place 😄. As its a device that stays in one place I wish they would put more weight into it so it stays in place, ideally a bit more weight in the front.
Wow. Just wow.
Beside the point (I’ll get to the point in a minute):
What if I want a new Apple TV every year? I appreciate the improvements in speed and standards. Any other new features are highly welcomed.
I have multiple TV’s, so I get a new Apple TV every time one is released and trickle the others down through the house and then sell the oldest one (which would currently be a 2015 “HD”).
The point:
My use case and preferences aside, what harm is there in updating the apple TV every year.
If the keep the same price point (or, in recent history, reduce it), and they offer better performance at the same price, why not update it?
A purchaser will be getting something relatively new rather than something that’s already been on the market for 3+ years.
Even if their purchases are years apart, when they buy, they will be getting a great product.
I don’t really even know what to say about the corporate greed part. I want companies to make great products that I can buy, use, and enjoy.
If the value is there, I’ll buy it. If it’s not, I won’t. I don’t see how making something that I (and many others) want to buy is greed. They are not forcing us to take our our wallet and buy.
And it’s silly to say that a product doesn’t need to be updated every year. Myself and many others would have an appreciation of yearly Apple TV updates.
There could also be benefits to Apples supply chain, and ultimately I never have any devices that are too outdated, never end up spending money in a remote replacement or battery replacements or anything like that.
The remote is now almost half the cost of a new Apple TV. So far (fingers crossed) I’ve never had to replace one. Those savings alone toward the cost of a new one and recouping money on the sale of the old one makes it a very cost effective update.
It’s been a good system that really worked out well
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I remember people complaining before about not being able to mute on apps that have Live TV stream, and were not able to pause.
I think the the ATV (or any streaming device) would worth it just to NOT have to AirPlay anything.
Meh. "Good enough" is all a bit subjective isn't it?
I'm not saying you are wrong, for you, this might very well be an accurate statement. That doesn't mean it is for others though. Does all the streamers play video? Yes.
Things I like about my Apple TV that my LG G1 doesn't give me? Like with most thing "apple", the integration with the ecosystem is a win here.
- Photos integration. It's fun to share photos "memories" on the big screen when family, is over. Heck, my and the missus sometimes does just between
- As an Apple Watch user, that regularly use Apple Fitness from time to time. TV + Apple Fitness isn't a bad combo. We are both regular gym goers (4 days of resistance training a week), and yes, the apple workouts aren't its not terribly intense, but, it helps with supplementing my exercise minutes on offdays.
- Apple Home integration is neat (fact it also doubles as a home hub now is a plus)
- Apple Arcade works well when the screaming nieces are visiting and needs to be pacified
- Apple Music works beautifully with my Dolby Atmos setup via Apple TV.
- Subjectively, the video quality is great. I feel iTunes content is second to none on Apple TV. And generally, whilst its not something I did any deep research into, it just felt like its doing a better job matching content to my TV (frame rates, HDR format etc) than the android TV box I used to own (my only point of reference is a Nvidia shield).
- The teleconfering with family feature, via iPhone continuity, with centerstage and such, is also a welcome new feature (once it lands).
All in all, I feel the Apple TV, for me, offers far more than the alternative. Granted, like with any other apple device, its value is proportional to how deep into the ecosystem you have gone. But I'm cool with that.
Sure, I suppose I could achieve most of the above with AirPlay via my phone. But, personally, I find the experience, a bit more clumsy. I prefer just picking up the remote.
And finally, it's dirt cheap. And you rarely need to upgrade. For me, I cant see any reason why not to have one.
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I just tried to use a built-in smart TV apps — LG. It was horrible! Plus the built-in tracking of what your viewing for advertising .
The interface on the Apple TV is simpler, easier to use, and just looks better. Plus, everything worked perfectly in terms of controlling the TV on/off and volume levels — the Roku I also tried didn’t do these properly out of the box ( the Roku is still far better than the smart TV app experience)
It’s kind of like with cars. They all will get you where you wanna go but you might enjoy the ride a bit more in a nicer one such as a BMW or Mercedes.
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Maybe it's just me but the color overall on video playbacks (from any apps) look better with Apple TV despite TV picture set to the exact same tuning.
Not to mention most of built in smart TV interface is laggy and garbage with a very bad support from the manufacturers.
my remote still does this very regularly.
sometimes it does it when "i'm holding it wrong" and others times it does it when it just sitting out in the open.
Yeah it's subjective but if you look at Apples market share it looks like the market has spoken.
The market share is all moving towards the built in operating systems from the TV manufacturers.
Global smart TV streaming platform share 2020 | Statista
Tizen is the leading TV streaming platform worldwide among smart TVs in use, with a market share of about 13 percent as of year-end 2020, followed by WebOS from LG.
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I agree that the market has spoken with regard to built-in streaming software. However, if your all in on the Apple ecosystem, particularly if you're using HomeKit the Apple TV is a no brainer. Among other HomeKit features, the Apple will encrypt video from your HomeKit connected security cameras and store the encrypted versions in iCloud. Much better than paying for an additional subscription for ecobee, logitech etc with who knows what privacy and security policies/practices.
I expect Apple will have more to announce related to Apple TV and Facetime in a future Apple TV which will make Apple TV an even more valuable portion of the Appleverse.
I do have a cheap TV on my patio with Roku built in. I bought it because I didn't want to have the extra cables and the box for an Apple TV. It works ok, but the level of advertising in the interface is almost unbearable.
I expect Apple will have more to announce related to Apple TV and Facetime in a future Apple TV which will make Apple TV an even more valuable portion of the Appleverse.
I do have a cheap TV on my patio with Roku built in. I bought it because I didn't want to have the extra cables and the box for an Apple TV. It works ok, but the level of advertising in the interface is almost unbearable.
Yeah it's subjective but if you look at Apples market share it looks like the market has spoken.
The market share is all moving towards the built in operating systems from the TV manufacturers.
Global smart TV streaming platform share 2020 | Statista
Tizen is the leading TV streaming platform worldwide among smart TVs in use, with a market share of about 13 percent as of year-end 2020, followed by WebOS from LG.
Saying the market has spoken is a bit strong. The difference between tvOS and the market leader being 10%. I would love to hear your thought of what the market is saying on Windows versus MacOS then 😆 Should we just give up on MacOS?
Samsung owns 29.7% of the TV market (as per 2022), the fact that there is more people streaming on Tizen than tvOS really isn't a huge eureka moment for me tbh.
Apple TV is a niche product, and is targeted at subset of the total population of TV owners who
- Wants a streaming box (or even, knows what a streaming box is)
- Exists in the Apple ecosystem, and have enough use cases (ala, my those I presented for myself in the last post) to see value in getting an Apple TV.
And ultimately, the fact Apple is turning up the frequency of refreshes, tells me they are happy with the answers, and they feel it's a platform worth investing in.
And finally, personally, with my use cases (as presented in the last post) regardless of how many people are just running with what their TV gave them, I stand by the statement that for me, it would be massive regression if I just went back to using webOS.
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Exactly, it is weirdly light compared to all other old gens. Still slide in my case every now and then lol
Use up all those spare chips that are sitting out back?
Isn't what AppleTV is for, getting rid of inventory?
If it had 2% market share and was a completely closed locked down software platform that relied on ongoing developer support maybe yeah
Fortunately it doesn't.
I love my Apple TV, I just wish TVOS was better. I think 17 is an improvement, but I still want to be able to easily update apps without having automatic updates turned on. I usually have an Apple TV and then I have a Roku device as a travel device and love both. I am surprised Apple hasn't come out with a stick streamer yet. I think those could sell yet and really challenge the Roku market. I also wish The Roku channel can be on Apple TV since I have been starting to watch a lot of things on the Roku channel (Like the Ray Combs Family Feud).
The fact that tvOS 17 will support third-party VPN clients is a significant upgrade. I hope my VPN provider supports it.
Thanks. Unfortunately didn't help - including new 48Gbps cable from AppleStore purchased just for the ATV.
Sadly, it is a known and well documented issue over several years, and Apple has not fixed it.
Apple TVs are great. We still have a 2nd gen in operation for an old game room projector the kids use ocassionally, and the family room which has a 3D TV and hence only supports HD, still runs the 3rd gen with no issues, with all apps functional. Other room have 4k 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, depending on when the TV, or monitor, was installed. I like to put the Apple TV also on monitors, if these are connected to notebook computers and these computers are used by different family members who may have them within them, such as in the office, where one would just crash and connect to the OWC dock if one has work to do. What I am most excited about would be VPN access, as for streaming European language content. Now, one would have to install a dedicated VPN box, where one would have to repoint DHCP GW (and reboot AppleTV to grab the new GW) each time one would have to access other language content, since US content would not stream on a Europe IP either. What a hassle! Geo fencing is ridiculous these days in a increasingly mobile world. So we pay for the content via our US subscriptions, have to keep European subscriptions in addition to that, but cannot access the paid content, unless we would jump through loops and hoops, or happen to travel into these regions. Ridiculous! Otherwise, the Apple TVs are used for education and work, mainly with YouTube, and Zoom via Air Play, hence also really excited about seeing video conf apps to move to Apple TV as well.
There's lots of upgrades they can add that are needed.
DTS/DTSHD/DTSX/Atmos/TrueHD passthrough and full bitstream, audio codec, sampling and lossless audio support.
HDMI 2.1 and all it's benefits like: Auto Low Latency Mode, 8k, 120fps, Variable Refresh Rate, Quick Media Switching, Enhanced Audio Return Channel, Quick Frame Transport.
Ultra Wideband support with Find My to easily find lost remotes.
Better designed remote with more buttons and a small speaker for Find My and possibly other creative uses (see PlayStation controller speakers to get an idea).
USB-C.
Dolby Vision.
WiFi 7 and its multitudes of absolutely killer benefits.
AV-1 encode and decode support.
Bluetooth 5.3 (possibly 5.4 by then) support.
Faster chip (A16 or A17).
More storage.
Not for me, but a camera is an option (ie: Face Time, Zoom, Teams, Whatsapp, Google Meet, etc).
There are lots of options they can, if not even need to add, imo. Apple is lagging behind rather severely as it is now and would not be considered by any hard core AV enthusist. Simply having a faster chip only adds a little real world benefit in and of itself. That faster chip needs to have other compelling upgrades to go with it as well. But add everything I listed above and you would instantly become THE defacto killer device for all. Charge accordingly, we will come. People on a budget can buy the older versions.
DTS/DTSHD/DTSX/Atmos/TrueHD passthrough and full bitstream, audio codec, sampling and lossless audio support.
HDMI 2.1 and all it's benefits like: Auto Low Latency Mode, 8k, 120fps, Variable Refresh Rate, Quick Media Switching, Enhanced Audio Return Channel, Quick Frame Transport.
Ultra Wideband support with Find My to easily find lost remotes.
Better designed remote with more buttons and a small speaker for Find My and possibly other creative uses (see PlayStation controller speakers to get an idea).
USB-C.
Dolby Vision.
WiFi 7 and its multitudes of absolutely killer benefits.
AV-1 encode and decode support.
Bluetooth 5.3 (possibly 5.4 by then) support.
Faster chip (A16 or A17).
More storage.
Not for me, but a camera is an option (ie: Face Time, Zoom, Teams, Whatsapp, Google Meet, etc).
There are lots of options they can, if not even need to add, imo. Apple is lagging behind rather severely as it is now and would not be considered by any hard core AV enthusist. Simply having a faster chip only adds a little real world benefit in and of itself. That faster chip needs to have other compelling upgrades to go with it as well. But add everything I listed above and you would instantly become THE defacto killer device for all. Charge accordingly, we will come. People on a budget can buy the older versions.
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The Main thing i would like to see is the ability to use a pair of HomePods as surround speakers.
I expect (or hope) that the next Apple TV will either have a fan or will use a very efficient chip that won't thermal throttle like the A15 in the ATV4K3.
I use it to view cameras, turn on and off lights, as well as set brightness of lights.
Alerts from my cameras get set to the ATV as well, although I have found that playing the recorded video from the alerts to be buggy, and it stopped going it. I just get a still. But, I can still watch live video from the camera.
I appreciated the increase from 64GB to 128GB. If used just for streaming, even the smaller 64GB is overkill, but the larger 128GB is not enough for games. Games fill it up quick.
You can control some Home Automations with Siri on tvOS.
I use it to view cameras, turn on and off lights, as well as set brightness of lights.
Alerts from my cameras get set to the ATV as well, although I have found that playing the recorded video from the alerts to be buggy, and it stopped going it. I just get a still. But, I can still watch live video from the camera.
The current ATV has Dolby Vision support.
I hope this as well.
I appreciated the increase from 64GB to 128GB. If used just for streaming, even the smaller 64GB is overkill, but the larger 128GB is not enough for games. Games fill it up quick.