What to order now for editing workstation?

[soulbot]

Seems to me you should be posting your rants on the above forum pages

...so that devolved pretty quickly. Predictable.

You are a self-admitted fanboy. That take-home: no correct opinion besides your own. And no lack of perseverance in expressing it. And expressing it, and expressing it...

I say something, you don't agree — it's a "rant"!? Huh? Someone opposes you, you throw blocks or bring up 1994, or some other distraction. You split hairs when convenient, use blanket statements when it's best. I clearly shouldn't be hanging out here... the one-up-manship is infuriating. The "arguments" are twisted, silly, tainted by love...

Quadro 4000's?? Another bloated overpriced bit of tech. from a non-existent selection. The options for Mac video cards are woeful! There are better options than simply "throwing money at it". Example.

You're skipping the main thing: price. You don't always get what you pay for. If you want to build up your own PC to go head-to-head with a, uh, "modern Mac" you can. Seems like you're no stranger to this path. The advantage to the PC: you've got an equally powered system and $2,000 still in your pocket.

I shouldn't come off so hard on you lot. You're the folks that keep pumping up my AAPL stock! Cheers!

OP, want some advice?? Buy a used Mac Pro on ebay, new enough to put AppleCare on it. March ahead. Or a new MacBook Pro.

It's not a rant to say the "new" Mac Pro, for what it COST, is poor choice.

 

[mBox]

Quadro 4000's?? Another bloated overpriced bit of tech. from a non-existent selection.

Didnt push the Quadros as the defacto card. At the time of purchase, it was the only compliant video card for DaVinci Resolve. We are all glad that the GTX flaves are compliant now, but some of us still try and stick with professional code.

OP, want some advice?? Buy a used Mac Pro on ebay, new enough to put AppleCare on it. March ahead. Or a new MacBook Pro.

See you are warming up to the idea on the Mac Pro

For the op, sorry If I didnt consider price in my posts. I just give real world professional advice.
But when folks do that, you always run into these tech heads that want to save the world with their "bring down the man" attitude.
If I would have mentioned an HP Z820, I would have been scorned and be given a lecture on how to make a cheaper PC that blows it away.
Some folks in the professional community cant and will not tinker with hardware/software. We buy what is compliant at time of purchase.
I dont deviate from whats required.

To the op, good luck with your purchase

 

[soulbot]

For the op, sorry If I didnt consider price in my posts. I just give real world professional advice.

Too bad the "real world" advice is fueled by romance. I personally don't make business decisions based on emotions. However, you are completely smitten! You're so in love with whatever Apple does. Awesome! (Again, my stock portfolio thanks you!) But I don't operate like that. I think it is a terrible way to make business decisions, but hey — to each their own. (It does help explain why you're so defensive.)

Simply, the MAC PRO right now (the one that was just updated) is lame!! Sorry to keep stepping on your delicate toes. It would be a decent value at half the price. But it's old and tired and in dire need of a REAL update. If you can't admit it, you're just too bogged down in your love affair to see the FACTS. Let's see: no USB3, no Thunderbolt, old processors, crap graphics options. Modern iMacs and MBPs are trumping these machines in a LOT of tasks these days. But go ahead and spend $3,800 (or more) on a 3-year old system! Sounds sweet!!

Let's split hairs... I"m not "coming around" to the idea of a Mac Pro for our OP. I'm all for a Mac Pro. I'm just blatantly against the ridiculous cost of a "New" Mac Pro —*that's not NEW at all. Instead it's an overpriced bit of tech from the past. If you can say outright that this machine is GREAT VALUE, we'd all love to hear it!!

Otherwise, this attitude of "Apple can do no wrong" is just plain silly. You seem to love to get the last word, so keep on typing... I don't see why you don't just come and say it, "The NEW Mac Pro is a great value!" Can you admit that? Because that's what this whole discussion is about: Bang-for-Buck & the newest Mac Pro.

You can continue to beat this dead horse as long as you'd like... Just know that I'm not the only one to see that the Mac Pro has been overlooked for a long time and that the current update wasn't an update. How ironic from a company that can do no wrong!?

Your undying passion has driven you blind.

 

[mBox]

Too bad the "real world" advice is fueled by romance. I personally don't make business decisions based on emotions. However, you are completely smitten! You're so in love with whatever Apple does. Awesome! (Again, my stock portfolio thanks you!) But I don't operate like that. I think it is a terrible way to make business decisions, but hey — to each their own. (It does help explain why you're so defensive.)

Sorry if I sounded defensive and honestly think you're taking this way too serious
My real world advice doesnt work for all.
But you have to point that out right?
I mean exactly what is wrong with believing in something?
Apple is not a way of life or a religion, its a freaking tool!
Just like my PRS guitar is a tool or my Ryobi Power Drill a tool.
Anyhoo its just advice, I think you might need to calm down about your views in "real world" purchases.
P.s. we get you have Apple stock. what the heck does that mean anyway?

 

[linuxcooldude]

Don't forget though that you will spend more money making a 2012 15" MBP/rMBP a true desktop replacement with TB accessories (they're not cheap). And CPU speed alone doesn't paint the whole picture. Despite their outdated CPU architecture, Mac Pros can support more RAM, and have replaceable GPUs and internal expansion. TB can overcome the lack of internal expansion somewhat, but again, it comes at a steep price. To say Mac Pros are no longer viable is a bit of a stretch. I still wouldn't replace my sit-down editing workstation with a MBP.

But at the same time, there's a lot to love. Like mBox pointed out, the newer quad-core MBPs with TB certainly changed the game for DITs on film sets. We used to have to lug around big carts with Mac Pros on them if we wanted real processing power and storage faster than FireWire. In this regard, the newer MBPs are a godsend.


This is just my 2 cents for the OP, based on my past experiences owning both Apple laptops and desktops:

1. The average service life of an Apple laptop for me seems to be about 3 years, tops. The internal components of a laptop run much hotter due to space constraints, which takes a toll on reliability. My 2008 MBP took a dump (dead logic board) a few months out of its AppleCare coverage late last year and it wasn't worth fixing, so now it's a shiny aluminum paperweight. Besides, at this age, it was struggling to keep up with newer software and it couldn't be upgraded enough to change that fact.

2. Perhaps I'm extraordinarily lucky, but my 2008 Mac Pro 8-core, with minimal maintenance, has given me ZERO problems since the day I bought it. And I work the piss out of this thing. The G5 I had before that never stopped working, either. And this Mac Pro doesn't feel long in the tooth for me yet, although I do wish the RAM was cheaper so I can go beyond 16GB without crying. But oh well...

Could not say it any better. While i understand the recently updated Mac Pro is just a tie over until the newer one comes next year.

I was talking on a another forum to some one that has to edit 12 hours of video every week. I mentioned a Mac Pro considering the amount of video.

Well, it seems that the popular opinion was to get a retina MacBook Pro ( Yes, someone also mentioned a MacBook Air...lol ) One told me the newer one would out process a Quad core. While I acknowledged that might be true, in the long run a Mac Pro would be more reliable, faster, and more upgradable. But after a while told them good luck with that and left.

While the Thunderbolt expansion will give a MBP more expandability, it is much slower then a PCIe bus and will take quite a while till TB will out pace them.

 

[soulbot]

Sorry if I sounded defensive and honestly think you're taking this way too serious

Frame it how you need to. I'm just SO sick of the Apple Apologists who incessantly and blindly act like every single move Apple makes is spot on! Frankly, most are. But not all!! So don't act like it! And don't get offended when people point it out. Otherwise, it flies in the face of the "thick skin" credo you're claiming.

I mean exactly what is wrong with believing in something?

Not a thing! I believe the NEW Mac Pro is an over-priced, under-powered joke, worth about 1/2 it's cost (if not LESS). I believe in buying the absolute best tool for the job —*that fits your budget. For ME, that does not and could not equate to a New Mac Pro. You believe otherwise.

Ya know, the hardest part about all these kinds of "conversations" is how radically folks just like yourself will contradict themselves! Hate to strike a nerve and, uh, "point it out"...

"...Still have it in a box, I guess Im a big fanboy for that ...
...I dont really care if its VHS parts sitting in it..."

Eventually followed by:

Apple is not a way of life or a religion, its a freaking tool!

So which is it? A bit of memorabilia destined for your technology trophy case or a simple, cold "tool" to which you have no emotional engagement? Because right now you're carrying BOTH torches. The contradiction isn't lost on you, is it? You're either a fanboy or you are just buying tools! These two concepts are diametrically opposed. (You're the one that called yourself a fanboy, not "kind of a" fanboy, but a BIG fanboy. Don't blame me.)

I think you might need to calm down about your views in "real world" purchases.

Why? Because they don't coincide with yours? Thick skin, remember?

P.s. we get you have Apple stock. what the heck does that mean anyway?

Really? Well, let's see... like it or not stock prices are often pushed around by nothing but good ol' perception, speculation and feelings. People that embody your, "Apple can do wrong" attitude help to keep pushing those stock prices higher and higher. We're bumping new records constantly nowadays thanks to folks just like you. And the way they FEEL about a product. Wonderful!! And please continue to blatantly disregard any and all gaffes made by your favorite technology company! —— THAT's what that means!

Although I despise the attitude of the Unbending Evangelists I'm not afraid to profit from them. Is that a contradiction? If so —*I couldn't care less.....

We've strayed way too far. So I'll politely take this opportunity to remind you: It's not about a mis-placed graphic. It's about the [FLAWED] thinking that such an item would even be remotely worthy of said graphic!!

Here's all I'm asking from you...

Just admit that the New Mac Pro is a great value. Simple.

 

[mBox]

Lol!

 

[soulbot]

Lol!

Precisely!!

Except you forgot a bunch of these:

 

[mBox]

Precisely!!

Except you forgot a bunch of these:

Haha I was at a gig last night and saw your long winded post.
Man you really show passion about this subject to the point of acting like a complete ****.
Anyhoo my reply was simply, you made me laugh and felt sorry for you and how this whole Mac Pro debacle has turned you into a babbling ranting fool.
I have to deal with folks like you in almost every aspect of my career from Mac vs PC, Max vs Maya, FCP vs Avid and to date FCP vs FCPX.
Wow its like going to war with words with folks like you.
Listen I offered my opinion, I understand you did too but with a little bit of bitch slapping towards me
I can handle it, Im in this for the love of what I do.
It wasnt always Apple that made things work for me, I mean I had a few SGIs that I swore by. You wanna talk about a system that was way overpriced
So hopefully you find your inner peace soulbot and enjoy life without the Apple angst

 

[mBox]

Options...

Just to add more options, this is the kind of workflow I will be using soon:
http://www.macgasm.net/2012/01/26/demo-thunderbolt-red-footage-macbook-air/
It wont be an Air but a fully loaded Retina.
Again another option for the op to consider.

 

[Zwhaler]

I do loads of editing with FCPX, I would recommend a decked out Mac pro. Laptops become a pain managing storage unless you have a high end TB array or something to that effect. The 12 core is ideal for editing on Mac and the 4 bays make managing HD video possible with up to 16TB internal. I have 24GB RAM and the 2GB per core setup works very smooth. That and a real graphics card to drive a display 24" or higher like and you'll have a powerhouse for commercial level work.

 

[soulbot]

What's so hard to comprehend here?? Companies aren't infallible. They have hiccups, they make mistakes —*some large, some small. Even the Almighty Apple! Surprise! And, it's completely okay to admit it. In fact, it's the vehement denial that these stumbles exist, that make you come off as a kool-aid-swilling zealot, so swelled up with adoration that you couldn't point out a mis-step if it smacked you in the face! Why do you need to take a Corporation's errors so personally? Ah yes! Because you BELIEVE that they don't make errors?

Wow its like going to war with words with folks like you.

... the problem is you can't seem to walk away without a victory. The simple "LOL" comment really was a touché. It would have been a great place to leave it. An ideal opportunity to simply laugh off my ranting… But you had to make sure to keep going and going and talking and asserting yourself. Just needed to get that last word? The clues that you are just another standard One-Upper were there when I said "the year 2000" —*and you needed to make sure to "swing the stick" to let us know you've been in the game since "1994." ...with a list of other credentials sprinkled in for good measure. Classic topper! I now see that your incessant need to retort should not have been a surprise — but predicted.

So hopefully you find your inner peace soulbot and enjoy life without the Apple angst

Thanks for the life lessons, Coach! Though I think your reading comprehension could use some tuning. See, I don't have angst towards Apple. That would be a waste of time and energy! (Sounds familiar....) I already have a tried and true way of communicating my sentiments to companies: with my wallet! Any perceived "angst" should be understood to be aimed at blind fanboys who can NEVER see any wrong in their exalted Product Du Jour and who madly defend their restricted view tooth-&-nail, to the bitter end. So, if you still find the need to feel sad, do it for the Blind Faithful. No need for pity over here.

 

[mBox]

What's so hard to comprehend here?? Companies aren't infallible. They have hiccups, they make mistakes —*some large, some small. Even the Almighty Apple! Surprise! And, it's completely okay to admit it. In fact, it's the vehement denial that these stumbles exist, that make you come off as a kool-aid-swilling zealot, so swelled up with adoration that you couldn't point out a mis-step if it smacked you in the face! Why do you need to take a Corporation's errors so personally? Ah yes! Because you BELIEVE that they don't make errors?



... the problem is you can't seem to walk away without a victory. The simple "LOL" comment really was a touché. It would have been a great place to leave it. An ideal opportunity to simply laugh off my ranting… But you had to make sure to keep going and going and talking and asserting yourself. Just needed to get that last word? The clues that you are just another standard One-Upper were there when I said "the year 2000" —*and you needed to make sure to "swing the stick" to let us know you've been in the game since "1994." ...with a list of other credentials sprinkled in for good measure. Classic topper! I now see that your incessant need to retort should not have been a surprise — but predicted.



Thanks for the life lessons, Coach! Though I think your reading comprehension could use some tuning. See, I don't have angst towards Apple. That would be a waste of time and energy! (Sounds familiar....) I already have a tried and true way of communicating my sentiments to companies: with my wallet! Any perceived "angst" should be understood to be aimed at blind fanboys who can NEVER see any wrong in their exalted Product Du Jour and who madly defend their restricted view tooth-&-nail, to the bitter end. So, if you still find the need to feel sad, do it for the Blind Faithful. No need for pity over here.

LOL part deux

 

[Keebler]

Hi,

I would say it depends on how much editing you need to do between now and early next year.

Tim Cook did guarantee that new Mac Pros are coming in that quarter.

If you really need one now, their updated ones can be bought in the refurb section for a slight discount.

Personally, I bought a 2010 12 core last December and while it doesn't have TBolt, it flies. Sure, it may have outdated processors and wasn't cheap, but it's made a world of difference for my processing.

My point is that a similar updated machine would be fantastic.

But if you can wait, then hold on until early next year! lol

Cheers,
Keebler