What We Learned About Apple Yesterday


KingYaba

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You would think they could add multitasking with a quick OS update, right? Flash is retarded let's just get the ball rolling on HTML 5. I won't blame Apple for omitting Flash.
 

LethalWolfe

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Jan 11, 2002
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Not to turn this into another Flash thread, but Flash is here today. It's used by a lot of websites today. If you want to boast about offering the best browsing experience you need to support Flash. Apple's lack of support for what they seemingly see as competition in content distribution, namely Flash and Blu-ray, is irritating to say the least.


Lethal
 

*LTD*

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Feb 5, 2009
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Not to turn this into another Flash thread, but Flash is here today. It's used by a lot of websites today. If you want to boast about offering the best browsing experience you need to support Flash. Apple's lack of support for what they seemingly see as competition in content distribution, namely Flash and Blu-ray, is irritating to say the least.


Lethal
Baloney.

Flash is never coming to the iPhone, iPod touch, or iPad. Ever. It's not a technical limitation, its a conscious choice by Apple. And what are you missing really? Ads? Flash sucks. Its a processor hog (especially on OSX). Youtube is already transitioning their videos to the open HTML 5 standard, which the iPhone/iPod touch/iPad supports. Flash is dying. Thank God.
 

appleguy123

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Apr 1, 2009
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Baloney.

Flash is never coming to the iPhone, iPod touch, or iPad. Ever. It's not a technical limitation, its a conscious choice by Apple. And what are you missing really? Ads? Flash sucks. Its a processor hog (especially on OSX). Youtube is already transitioning their videos to the open HTML 5 standard, which the iPhone/iPod touch/iPad supports. Flash is dying. Thank God.
What am I missing? oh I don't know, maybe >75% of all video sites. And if you are about to pull the whole HTML5 argument Flash is here now and will be for sometime.
 

kdarling

macrumors P6
What am I missing? oh I don't know, maybe >75% of all video sites.
Not to mention all my daughter's favorite kid pages and games.

And a great many technical news sites, so I always have to go back to my "real" laptop to see reviews or demos on the "real" internet.

Btw, I hardly ever see Flash based ads. Where the heck do these other people web surf all the time? Porn sites? Frankly, I see more DHTML based ads.
 

LethalWolfe

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Jan 11, 2002
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Um, what did I say that was baloney?

Is Flash common today on the internet? Yes.
Does the iPad support Flash? No.

I *know* it's a choice by Apple. Where did I say I did not? I know it's not a technical limitation. Where did I say it was?

If Flash is gone from the internet 100% in three years. Fine. I don't really care about Flash and I really don't care what will be the best way to browse the internet in three years. I care about browsing the internet *today* and Flash is out there a lot *today* so a device that cannot support Flash *today* cannot give you the best web browsing experience. At least not once you take your head out of Steve's RDF.



Lethal
 

Peace

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Apr 1, 2005
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Um, what did I say that was baloney?

Is Flash common today on the internet? Yes.
Does the iPad support Flash? No.

I *know* it's a choice by Apple. Where did I say I did not? I know it's not a technical limitation. Where did I say it was?

If Flash is gone from the internet 100% in three years. Fine. I don't really care about Flash and I really don't care what will be the best way to browse the internet in three years. I care about browsing the internet *today* and Flash is out there a lot *today* so a device that cannot support Flash *today* cannot give you the best web browsing experience. At least not once you take your head out of Steve's RDF.



Lethal
Just out of curiosity can you please provide links to THREE of the most important websites YOU view Flash on ?
 

LethalWolfe

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Tutorials on sites like CreativeCOW, VideoCopilot use Flash and Vimeo is becoming a more popular haunt than YouTube for indie filmmakers to showcase and share their stuff.
Content on GameTrailers.com goes up first as Flash if it's hot media and some content is Flash only like Bonus Round and GameTrailersTV. And, of course, Hulu uses Flash. News sites like CNN, MSNBC and the BBC also depend on Flash for video. I also do all my banking online and some elements, non-vital elements AFAIK, of my bank's web site are in Flash.

Of course my personal browsing habits aren't really at issue here. Even if I never went to website that used Flash that doesn't mean that other people don't need to go to websites that use Flash. The issue is Apple's deliberate crippling of what they are marketing as the best web browsing device out there today.


Lethal
 

neiltc13

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People who say that Flash is not important clearly don't know what they're talking about. Flash is the industry standard for online video, (and is used by many of my favourite streaming video websites including BBC iPlayer, ITV Player, Gametrailers, YouTube, Vimeo, Flickr, BBC News among others) but it is also the industry standard for browser based gaming.

The people who buy netbooks are the people who want a low cost laptop and these are also the people who love to play games online. I'm not only talking about sites like Pogo.com, Yahoo Games or iSketch, but also those who play games for real money on the countless bingo and poker websites as well as millions of people who play games on Facebook.

The huge irony is that games like Farmville are immensely popular and would be incredibly well suited to a device like this, but without Flash they cannot be played.
 

LethalWolfe

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Jan 11, 2002
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http://gizmodo.com/5454115/first-youtube-now-vimeo-how-html5-could-finally-kill-flash-video

Oops.

Flash is dying.

Once again, Apple proves masterfully prescient.
Seriously? Is this really so hard for you to comprehend?

For the 3rd time. I. Don't. Care. About. Flash.

I care about being able to surf to any site I want to right now, today, in 2010, especially if I'm using a device that is primarily built to surf the web. Flash is dying? Fine. Great. When it's completely dead and gone I won't care that Apple won't support it on select devices. But it's not dead. It's not gone. It's used on a lot of sites and those sites are not accessible using Apple's iPad which is being marketed as the best web browsing experience available.

Trying to say that in a few years, or whenever you think HTML5 will replace Flash 100%, the iPad will work great for browsing the web doesn't change the fact that the iPad is crippled today.


Lethal
 

*LTD*

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Feb 5, 2009
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Trying to say that in a few years, or whenever you think HTML5 will replace Flash 100%, the iPad will work great for browsing the web doesn't change the fact that the iPad is crippled today.


Lethal
It won't take a few years. YouTube's already on board, along with Vimeo. Google is pushing it.

The iPad isn't for sale today.
 

localoid

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Feb 20, 2007
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iPad doesn't have Flash support because of the pissing contest between Apple and Adobe... Frankly, I don't give a damn about Flash, but it is widely used on Internet today. According to Adobe, 75% of all videos on the Web use Flash.

From: Adobe (click the "Product Details" tab)

When will Flash Player be available on the iPhone?

Adobe needs full support from Apple beyond what is available through the SDK to enable Web browsing of Flash-based content on the iPhone. While we have been working hard to make the browser plug-in available, without increased co-operation from Apple, it will not be possible. Adobe is therefore focusing our development work on the major smartphone platforms that are working with us to deliver the most innovative and complete web browsing experience. With more than 85 percent of the top 100 websites using Flash and approximately 75% of all videos on the Web using Flash, we still believe that Flash on the iPhone would greatly benefit the millions of joint Apple and Adobe customers.
 

rhett7660

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Jan 9, 2008
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I am just curious, does anybody know for sure if Flash is not supported on the iPad? I know with plugins you can disable it, but I am wondering if a plugin was stopping it or if it is using the same non supporting browser as on the iPhone.
 

*LTD*

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Feb 5, 2009
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I am just curious, does anybody know for sure if Flash is not supported on the iPad? I know with plugins you can disable it, but I am wondering if a plugin was stopping it or if it is using the same non supporting browser as on the iPhone.
Adobe has their own statement on this. I'll try to dig up the details . . .