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hajime

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Will the entire part need to be replaced like those with butterfly keyboard? I read that with the magic keyboard, individual keys could be replaced without swapping the entire keyboard. Can all the keys be individually replaced?
 

Nacho98

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uhhh no. the keyCAPS can be replaced individually, but the entire keyboard is a single assembly riveted into the chassis.
 

hajime

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uhhh no. the keyCAPS can be replaced individually, but the entire keyboard is a single assembly riveted into the chassis.

So if AppleCare+ ends and the keyboard cannot be fixed by replacing individual keyCAPS, then we need to pay a lot of money to have the chassis replaced?
 

Broadus

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Oct 26, 2011
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I’m not concerned with the “what ifs.” Keyboards sometimes fail and one deals with it.

I bought a new 2018 15” a few months ago because I had to have a replacement then and I found it at a great price. I haven’t spent any time with concern over the infamous butterfly keyboard. Had I had the luxury of waiting, I would have jumped on the new 16” with its scissors keyboard and wouldn’t give the new keyboard a second thought.
 

MontTrain

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As per the ifixit tear down

Nooooo! Once again, the keyboard assembly is riveted down. Though the switches are likely less vulnerable to crumbly assailants, the keyboard itself isn't any more repairable than the Butterfly boards.

It's basically 2016 all over again: we've got a new keyboard married to a non-serviceable design, with only Apple's word that it "won't break." And this one isn't even a part of the Keyboard Service Program, so ... : /

The one glimmer of hope is that this new keyboard design is extremely similar to past Apple keyboards that have mostly withstood the test of time.
 

AustinIllini

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Oct 20, 2011
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Without a doubt, if this keyboard has the same pitfalls as previous models, it will be added to the four year program before anyone who bought it will be out of warranty.
 

Nacho98

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So if AppleCare+ ends and the keyboard cannot be fixed by replacing individual keyCAPS, then we need to pay a lot of money to have the chassis replaced?

Yes, but I wouldn't worry about the keyboard on this having a problem. It's a proven keyboard design that's been in use in other products with slight modifications, not an entirely new, unknown keyboard.

Don't worry about the keyboard anymore.
 

leman

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Oct 14, 2008
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So if AppleCare+ ends and the keyboard cannot be fixed by replacing individual keyCAPS, then we need to pay a lot of money to have the chassis replaced?

Yes, the same as every MacBook Pro ever made.
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Yes, but I wouldn't worry about the keyboard on this having a problem. It's a proven keyboard design that's been in use in other products with slight modifications, not an entirely new, unknown keyboard.

Don't worry about the keyboard anymore.

But also don't forget that scissor keyboard fails too. Not because it is bad, but because everything fails. By now, its pretty clear that butterfly (especially the earlier designs) is more prone to failure (by a factor of 2-3 according to the only empirical study I am aware of), but it doesn't mean that scissor failure chance is zero. We have a pile of broken magic keyboards in our cellar, as a matter of fact.

People have been so caught up in all this butterfly fiasco, that they forgot the basic facts of chance. Your keyboard will not fail just because it happens to be butterfly design, and your keyboard is not safe just because it uses scissor design.
 
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