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Originally posted by mozzchops
its confusing for new users, they sometimes have apps open without a window and open the app again wondering whats wrong...
Which is why applications like AppleWorks use a panel (or whatever it's called) that appears when there are no files open, with big NEW and OPEN buttons on it. Other applications that have used this method include PowerPoint and FrameMaker. It may look friendly to a beginner, but since only a minority of applications do it, it's actually adding to the confusion when they use "standard" applications like TextEdit that don't do this.

Ironically, the consistency of menu conventions (File, Edit, View, etc.) from one application to the next makes the problem worse, since with no document windows open you will barely notice when you have switched applications.

I've watched users close their last document window and plan to create a new one. I think "noooo, don't click on the desktop" but they do it anyways - it's just an instinct. Then, of course, they can't figure out why their app's File->New choice is missing, because they are back in the Finder.

If Steve Jobs and his staff would just come over to my house, I'm sure we could work out a better system.
 
absolutely nothing. OSX has its own unique feel and that is the way it should remain. Apple shouldnt have to copy off mediocre OS's...they set the benchmark
 
Originally posted by Raiden
Yeah I really hate the green button.

It hardly ever works properly. Sometimes it just maximizes a window vertically, not even maximizing the horizontal size. Also, its annoying when it maximizes a window so the bottom of the window is behind the dock, and you cant see anything.

You do realise, that it isn't a "maximise" button. It's what Apple calls a "zoom" button and hence does what the programmer has coded it to do. For example, with MSN messenger on PC's, the maximise button makes it take up the wholescreen - rather pointless. On Macs however, it intelligently expands the window just so its long enough to contain all the online contacts.

Safari zooms relatively nicely too, and with me having my dock on the left, it *always* stays next to it, no problem (unlike IE). So anyway, that's the rundown on the "zoom" button and it *is* definitely better than a "maximise" button IMHO.
 
The zoom button is OK, but I still want to resize on all four sides.

I have had windows that opened with the caption bar and buttons UNDER THE MENU BAR. That was a real problem; in Mac OS 9 you could grab any edge and MOVE the window. In Mac OS X, you're hosed.

And don't tell me it's the application's responsibility. I'm supposed to call Bill Gates and ask him to move my window so I can resize it? Get real.

Back to the zoom button: Let's see you explain in FIVE (5) words or less what it does. Yeah, right.
 
Originally posted by cubist
The zoom button is OK, but I still want to resize on all four sides.

I have had windows that opened with the caption bar and buttons UNDER THE MENU BAR. That was a real problem; in Mac OS 9 you could grab any edge and MOVE the window. In Mac OS X, you're hosed.

And don't tell me it's the application's responsibility. I'm supposed to call Bill Gates and ask him to move my window so I can resize it? Get real.

Back to the zoom button: Let's see you explain in FIVE (5) words or less what it does. Yeah, right.

5 words or less: intelligent expansion of windows. done.

And OSX shouldn't let a window get behind the menu bar. If it does somehow, if you do something to the window, it usually realises it shouldn't be there and will pop back down. Like.. minimise it then expand it again. Thats a guess.
 
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