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Really kind of absurd that the most valuable company on the planet is spending this much effort on an absolutely unnecessary novelty feature. I guess its a reminder that we've kind of plateaued on the personal pocket computer timeline and the real target market is people with time to waste.
Is it really any different than candy colored iMacs? Or the original iOS skeuomorphic animations?

It’s almost Apple’s MO to capture attention with fun lighthearted themes. The serious stuff inevitably follows.

That being said, Image Playground and Genmoji are both too restricted to be useful or fun for more than 5 minutes. They are very good proofs of concept with a polished UI. Not even MVPs.

Image Playground is so restricted that it runs out of variety in 2 minutes. If you’ve seen three cartoons of yourself, you’ve seen them all. There is practically no variation. It nails some faces perfectly while completely failing with others; generating faces that have no resemblance to the original. Also, it gives a persistently weird result for “hiker”.

Genmoji was at least good enough to produce something funny for “pig eating bacon”.
 
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I thought the human race went away from using pictures as a form of writing, but now it is as if we are going back to it, like a modern style of Hieroglyphs. I use the older style smiley that have been around for years, even before computers started to be a thing in homes. The thumbs up and down now and again and that is about it. I really don't feel the need to write using pictures.
 
I tried to search the web for more info on how Apple developed its model for Genmoji but the search results are flooded with press release type stuff. Anyone know more about the technical underpinning here?

My hunch is that this result Juli has documented well is downstream of choices they likely made about trying to respect copyright. If that’s true, seems like a better spot to be positioned in at the moment after the news of the suspicious death of the OpenAI whistleblower today.
 
Tried it out over the last two days. It is good but has got to improve a lot. Would be good if we are able to choose at least two people to make Genmoji.
 
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Apple has the worst in class “AI” features and I actually found pretty much all of them to be a net negative.


I was on the beta as soon as it was available, and ended up completely disabling Apple Intelligence last week.
I find them to be pretty much aligned with all other AI shoved into everything these days. My firm introduced copilot and it’s a joke. The email summaries are hilariously useless.
 
Funny how each generation of computer are advertised year in year out as being 'screamingly, insanely fast' right up until someone comes up with something that requires real computing like AI and then the lie is exposed, still for all the stupidity of this emoji garbage we will all be the benefactors of a better class of computer in the long run, and yup, they will advertise these wonderful new devices as being 'screamingly, insanely fast', they won't be able to help themselves
 
This feature makes me laugh. From what I’ve read above it’s half baked. Then you’ve to remember it’s only working in some countries and on the latest most expensive iPhones.

Is this childish offerings the best Apple can do with AI? Sure… it will make you laugh for a couple of hours…
 
What I don’t understand is all the AI possibilities you can do on a Samsung phone work on phones from 4 years ago.


You are only able to make use of genmoij on the latest and greatest iPhones? 🤣😂🤣
 
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“An hour and a half of ‌Genmoji‌ creation drained my battery from over 50 percent to five percent”

Ridiculous. I experienced the same with Playground.
If the target demographic for this are teens, then there’s a miscalculation since they all suffer from depleted-battery syndrome.

I understand the premise of privacy, but I believe that Genmoji should be server-generated. Will be quicker probably and much more battery friendly.
I’m failing to notice why this should be so secret and protected. Same as Playground.
Apple has all your photos already stored.
I am finding even more issues with Apple Intelligence given so much is done on the powerful chips on our devices. My battery usage per hour doubled under 18.2 betas (except beta 5 and RC 1) for both my M4 iPad Pro and my 15 PM. That meant for example on my M4 iPad Pro I went from the normal 5 percent per hour I had with it when I got it in May to 10 percent per hour. iPhone was similar draining. So all the other aspects of Apple Intelligence that are done locally vs offline server generated use too much power in my experience for the limited value of Apples Highly restricted and guardrailed AI implementation. I have for now turned it off on all my apple devices (M4 iPad Pro, 15 PM, M2 16 inch MacBook Pro). Just not sure there is much there i need. I do my own research anyway as a geologist and I do not need Apple devices to substitute for my brain. In fact at 74 it is good to use my brain rather than let my devices take over it keeps my mind stimulated. No thanks apple no Apple intelligence for now for me unless I can find a worthwhile use
 
Swing and a miss. Takes too long, too restrictive to be fun, not intuitive. But… this is the beginning of a long overhaul and everything will be impressive down the road. The question is whether everyone will just get over it during the wait. Also did I mention they need to be less restrictive? Apple is just too damn controlling in every way with “their” software and hardware.
 
Swing and a miss. Takes too long, too restrictive to be fun, not intuitive. But… this is the beginning of a long overhaul and everything will be impressive down the road. The question is whether everyone will just get over it during the wait. Also did I mention they need to be less restrictive? Apple is just too damn controlling in every way with “their” software and hardware.
Yeah I have liked the privacy and protection Apple offers for me on their devices but I am starting to see they are starting to do to far and being indeed “too dam controlling in every way with “their” software and hardware” for sure and wonder where we go from here given the needs for privacy in this crazy 2024 world of internet and computing and all the risks (hackers, government spying, companies like FB and Google spying onus, ect)
 
Facebook messenger does something like this much better. It’s still pretty useless but the Apple implementation feels like it struggles to make the simplest thing. My brother just broke his arm so I tried to make him an emoji with a broken arm. Apple failed to do anything useful and kept dressing him up like a doctor. It’s utterly stupid. I don’t see ever really trying it much again at this point.
 
I played with it for like 10 minutes and deleted it. It was very slow and struggled with almost every command I sent its way. It was also slow. I found it very frustrating and limited and slow. Did I mention how slow it was?

Not a compelling feature.
How did you delete it? This is a feature built in the emoji keyboard.
 
Seems like Apple (and the other mainstream AI image generators) have horse-shoe'd round to a version of Islam - thou shalt not make images of a human being.
Yes, various relaxations, but that is the basic rule.

As the article points out, you can see just how much more competent the system is when it targets animals - and isn't forced to run a gauntlet of 10,000 rules. Shame that PEOPLE is, in fact, what most of us want to play with...
 
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They have a plot but it is one that many "readers" are finding juvenile, boring, ill conceived and a waste of time.
The world is full of many Many MANY people...
It's legit to complain about problems with the feature. It's NOT legit to complain about the EXISTENCE of the feature.

There are many many users who care massively about the "imagery" on their devices, whether that's icons, dark mode, emoji, or photo manipulation.
If you're not one of them, ignore these features, just like they're not interested in new features in Accelerate or XCode or Safari Debugging or whatever floats your boat.
 
Facebook messenger does something like this much better. It’s still pretty useless but the Apple implementation feels like it struggles to make the simplest thing. My brother just broke his arm so I tried to make him an emoji with a broken arm. Apple failed to do anything useful and kept dressing him up like a doctor. It’s utterly stupid. I don’t see ever really trying it much again at this point.
There are multiple elements to this functionality. At the very least we have
1. the language model (translates the phrase into a "latent space")
2. the image generation model(s) (at least two of them, one cartoon like, one "Illustrator" like)
3. constraints on the language model so it doesn't offend anyone ever
4. constraints on both models to limit how long generation takes and how much energy it uses

In my experience the biggest problem that can be fixed soon is 1. The language model is just too limited and dumb, and clearly way simpler than the "intrinsic" Apple language model (which can handle, eg, translation adequately).

2. should be improved (more options for image style) simply because doing so is fairly easy, and would make happy many of the people who are irritated by the cartoony style

3. is (I suspect) hurting a lot, including making 1. extra dumb. But this is the world we inherited over the past decade. I suspect US elite society will tone this down over the next decade, but religious movements change slower than one might want.

4. is I think the weakest constraint. It will be improved in SW every few months and HW every year, and doesn't worry me.

So that's my expectation:
- more image styles soon (maybe as early as 18.3. Certainly if you could include two people, that would also be a significant boost in functionality, but that may have to wait till 19)
- better language model soon (but maybe not till 19)
- a long slow whittling away at the limitations of what can be done, probably led by Grok, w/ Claude and OpenAI next, Google behind them, and Apple last of all
- on-going tweaks to make image quality better (at the cost of more compute) but changing so slowly that there's never an obvious jump


Another direction Apple may go (and we may see this as early as 19) is APIs that allow third parties to act as the preferred genmoji and Image Playground creators. This seems plausible both
on technical grounds (Apple looks better if, in response to complaints that their image gen tech sucks, they can say "if it's important to you, switch to using <App X> or <OpenAI> or whatever") and
on legal grounds (given the EU kerfuffle, it seems stupid not to provide obvious hooks for companies that are obviously looking for ways to become part of the system)...
 
The world is full of many Many MANY people...
It's legit to complain about problems with the feature. It's NOT legit to complain about the EXISTENCE of the feature.

There are many many users who care massively about the "imagery" on their devices, whether that's icons, dark mode, emoji, or photo manipulation.
If you're not one of them, ignore these features, just like they're not interested in new features in Accelerate or XCode or Safari Debugging or whatever floats your boat.
I recommend you read my one sentence post again. I did not complain about the existence of the feature.
 
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