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It’s a huge miss not to have the satellite connectivity on an $800 Apple Watch Ultra! 🤦🏼🙄🤷🏼🤔 premium pricing but lacking this one premium feature it needs. No mention of 5G for the watches either…
LOL, the Apple Watch Ultra isn’t big enough to have an antenna for Satellite communications. Perhaps if T-Mobile & Elon get their service going it could happen… but probably not. 🤢
 
Except that Apple is Apple and has access to engineering and UI economies of scale that Garmin can only dream of. November 2022 you might be correct that it is inferior to Garmin, but Apple will likely blow past Garmin in 2024 if not 2023.
But it prob will require iPhone 15 because the chip for a different satellite system might be different?
 
Garmin have a tricky way of pricing this. If you sign up for continuous service the monthly rate is cheaper than if you sign up for occasional service (where you can start and stop service), which has a yearly fee even if you don't use it. Consequently I signed up for continuous service.
I wonder though like say if you don’t have the service and you are out in the middle of nowhere and need help is there anything you can do or do you just say crap I’m out of luck I didn’t sign up for the service Time to die?
 
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I’m surprised this isn’t just an included feature on all iPhones. In two years from now there will be stories of people who died in remote situations because their emergency SOS coverage lapsed because Apple wanted to charge extra. It will be in very poor taste for Apple to charge extra for an emergency feature… I don’t believe they’ve ever done this before.
Great whataboutism. One gets two years free and then has to decide to continue it or not.
 
I wonder though like say if you don’t have the service and you are out in the middle of nowhere and need help is there anything you can do or do you just say crap I’m out of luck I didn’t sign up for the service Time to die?
What happens if you’re out stranded in the middle of nowhere without water? Your cell phone battery just died because you forgot to charge it and with no way to charge and no water what to do?
 
Is you country gigantic with a very low population density and lots of places people can go and expect not to see another person for days to weeks? Does your country have independent municipalities in these areas which may not have the funding to cover these issues? Is your county in trillions of dollars of debt? Because different countries are different and sometimes that explained their differences not just random preferences.
"Random" preferences? There is nothing random about public policy. I don't think that, in the case of the US, even with that specific geographic and demographic setup, the problem is funding or capacity. I don't think that at all.
 
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I wonder though like say if you don’t have the service and you are out in the middle of nowhere and need help is there anything you can do or do you just say crap I’m out of luck I didn’t sign up for the service Time to die?
i live in a city that is very remote and its possible to be out of reception within an hour’s drive. it’s often hundreds of km from one town to the next … so i pay to buy a garmin satellite communicator and yes i pay for a subscription. and i’m happy to pay - it may save my life.

if this is an important feature for your circumstances you’ll happily pay for the peace of mind
 
I pay $300/year for my spot gps. So basically Apple is giving me a free phone with this service for 2 years. No brainer for me! I fly small aircraft in remote Canadian locations so this will be pretty sweet knowing I have this ability to connect for search and rescue.
Better be southern Canada because the iPhone sat function works up to LAT 62. Above that, according to a call with Apple, it is "50/50" - at least here at Lat 64.8 (north pole, AK). I was totally onboard with getting a 14 until I realized how spotty the coverage could potentially be. I would not expect coverage in a steep valley with mountains to the south of course. Even InReach won't work then but for me it's a question of whether it is dependable - at all. If I thought I could reasonably depend on the sat coverage I'd get a 14 in a heart beat but I will wait for reports from others to learn how well it does or doesn't connect up here. If I learn that it's reasonably dependable I'll probably get it; it's the only feature that lures me. Otherwise I will be waiting for optical zoom and USB-C
 
Fall detection doesn’t depend on a network of expensive satellites that someone is paying for.
There are a lot of features that are paid for by "someone". Like included 5GB of cloud storage, for example. If apple can afford to give this out free for 2 years, they must have it figured out.
 
There are a lot of features that are paid for by "someone". Like included 5GB of cloud storage, for example. If apple can afford to give this out free for 2 years, they must have it figured out.
So the relay centers and satellite communications should be given away for free because apple has figured out how to give away 5gb of iCloud storage?
 
So the relay centers and satellite communications should be given away for free because apple has figured out how to give away 5gb of iCloud storage?
Not exactly, but Apple can figure out how to do that. They can take a similar route to the cloud storage. I mean if apple figured out how to not include chargers in order to save the planet, I'm sure they can figure this out to in order to save lives.
 
Not exactly, but Apple can figure out how to do that. They can take a similar route to the cloud storage. I mean if apple figured out how to not include chargers in order to save the planet, I'm sure they can figure this out to in order to save lives.
Maybe they can, but they won’t. This is a subscription service that doesn’t seem to be headed into the free category.
 
Maybe they can, but they won’t. This is a subscription service that doesn’t seem to be headed into the free category.
i hope it’ll be free a rolled out worldwide. i currently pay garmin for this service, maybe apple sees this as another way to lock people in to its ecosystem.

with the ultra watch and this function, apple is going after garmin
 
LOL, the Apple Watch Ultra isn’t big enough to have an antenna for Satellite communications. Perhaps if T-Mobile & Elon get their service going it could happen… but probably not. 🤢
A Swiss watch was once advertised with SARSAT.
It had meter antennas so that the satellite could hear the watch SAR signal. It was for one-time use, because there was no way to get the antennas back into the watch.
 
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No, i mean someting like that: https://www.breitling.com/us-en/emergency/

The Swiss-made version has two 1-meter-long wire antennas, that had to be pulled out of the watch.
To interrupt the SOS signal, the antennae had to be cut off or wrapped around the watch
and that watch isn't for sell to everyone.
I pasted the wrong link! Will delete my reply above. That was what I meant to post.
 
There are a lot of features that are paid for by "someone". Like included 5GB of cloud storage, for example. If apple can afford to give this out free for 2 years, they must have it figured out.
It's possible said feature is effectively paid for by the upfront cost of the iPhone. Or you can think of it as a 2-year trial period (similar to how we got a free year of TV+ with the purchase of any Apple hardware when said service first launched). Who knows - maybe after two years, Apple may have acquired their own satellite service and can indeed afford to sustain the service for free indefinitely (kinda like how services like Maps and Siri don't bring in any revenue, but are considered a key part of their ecosystem).

My guess is that Apple will simply roll it into Apple One, as will any service that feels too specialised to warrant its own subscription fee, but Apple doesn't want to just give away for free like that.
 
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Wonder what the 'free for two years' means?
I think it should form part of iCloud+ services, for anyone paying on the top two tiers.

(Where are the higher iCloud+ Drive storage tiers...? I have an 8TB MBP and need more! So why not offer this to those who need it and want to pay for it?! Money left on table, again. Bizarre.)
I think the Satellite offering will either be added to the iCloud+ tier pricing or Apple will create a new Emergency Services tier. Hopefully, it gets added to the iCloud+ offering. I am not interested in paying $5 a month for such a service by itself.
 
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A Swiss watch was once advertised with SARSAT.
It had meter antennas so that the satellite could hear the watch SAR signal. It was for one-time use, because there was no way to get the antennas back into the watch.

Interestingly, the Breitling Emergency (I assume that's the watch you are referring to) had initially been banned for sale in the U.S. The watch, Emergency II, was eventually updated/improved to be able to transmit to COSPAS-SARSAT system.
 
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I have to confess I haven't been so wowed by something since the introduction of FaceTime calling back in 2010. I am impressed.

It's seriously impressive!

I saw one article that says, "Apple used to sell wonder, now it sells fear."

I haven't thought of it that way, but there is some truth to it.

I tend to look at it the opposite way. I think some peace of mind is nice. Last time I was on vacation in a mountainous part of Georgia (but still on paved roads) there many places where I had *zero* cell reception. With this if I needed to summon an ambulance for someone I could.
 
I’m surprised this isn’t just an included feature on all iPhones. In two years from now there will be stories of people who died in remote situations because their emergency SOS coverage lapsed because Apple wanted to charge extra. It will be in very poor taste for Apple to charge extra for an emergency feature… I don’t believe they’ve ever done this before.
It would be fully in keeping with the rest of the world, though. If you don’t buy insurance, and you have an event where it would pay out, that’s not going to be there for you. If you want this kind of feature today, you’re buying a $300 dedicated Garmin mini-device and paying $14.95/month in service. Apple giving it free for two years (and after that, who knows, but maybe two years will come free with every phone purchase to help lock in that upgrade cycle) is already a huge step above what you can get from any competitor in the space.

We don’t want to pay for it, and yeah, some people won’t pay for it and will be in a situation where they wish they had, but I wouldn’t say Apple is acting in bad faith or even poor taste; it’s significantly cheaper (read “free”) than competing services and you don’t need extra specialized hardware with you beyond your phone.
 
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